BD outsells HD-DVD on Paramount

[JoeSp]

Seems before Toshiba's money pulled the rug on BD support from Paramount BD was easily outsellig HD-DVD for the studio. I guess they figured that they were not going to make that kind of money from BD sales. Site is in Japanese but charts are in English. Some other interesting charts in this too:

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Notes of interest. The ALCO HD-DVD player listed for $199 (will it be full featured?) and Funai listed as a CE BD Manufacturer (will this be out by XMAS?). Number of titles by studio supporting BD and HD-DVD and other goodies.

 

[teachsac]

Seems before Toshiba's money pulled the rug on BD support from Paramount BD was easily outsellig HD-DVD for the studio. I guess they figured that they were not going to make that kind of money from BD sales. Site is in Japanese but charts are in English. Some other interesting charts in this too:

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Notes of interest. The ALCO HD-DVD player listed for $199 (will it be full featured?) and Funai listed as a CE BD Manufacturer (will this be out by XMAS?). Number of titles by studio supporting BD and HD-DVD and other goodies.

HD-DVD has to meet specs. Not an option. As for easily? Numbers are dismal for the titles sold in either format. 8,962 copies of Shooter on BD to 5785 on HDDVD. Whoopdee. Now if it were 8,962,000 to 5,785,000 we might talk. Total difference is 50,000 copies in all. Is BD trying to point out how dismal HDM sales are?

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[meStevo]

Entry level players don't need to be 'full featured'.... a whole lot of 1080i/720p sets are going to be sold this Christmas, and for many it will be their 'once every x years' TV purchase. Bleeding edge early adopters tend to spend more for the full featured items.

 

[CochiseGuy]

HD-DVD has to meet specs. Not an option. As for easily? Numbers are dismal for the titles sold in either format. 8,962 copies of Shooter on BD to 5785 on HDDVD. Whoopdee. Now if it were 8,962,000 to 5,785,000 we might talk. Total difference is 50,000 copies in all. Is BD trying to point out how dismal HDM sales are?

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Exactly! Factor in the cost of encoding, replication, packaging, distribution & promotion and it's kind of hard to see where they were leaving "money on the table" in selling 8,962 copies. They were losing less money.

And of course, Sony being Sony, they conveniently only used 2007 number - post PS3 - and left off 2006 numbers in which HD DVD outsold BD for Paramount.

 

[JoeSp]

Nobody is going to go back to 06 numbers and say look how well we are doing. You have to look at current numbers and recently released numbers to see how well a particular product is selling. That said, Paramount's numbers for sales of HD encoded discs is dismal. I think that Toshiba could of gotten Paramount's support for alot less money.

 

[teachsac]

Everyones sales of HDM is dismal. There was a lot more involved in Paramount's decision than money. Enoding advanced features (a.k.a. BD-Video 1.0 Final Specification).

 

[JoeSp]

I think it was all about money. Why give up 2/3's to keep a 1/3rd of your business? Besides, 150 mil is 150 mil and I do not see Paramount making that kind of money in the next 18 months even if they did stay nuetral unless one or the other format catches fire. It was a plain money and business decision in which I think both Paramount and Toshiba got what they wanted. And I don't see BD as being hurt by this deal at all. It just gives the HD-DVD camp a few more legs to travel on. Both formats are going to be around for awhile.

 

[meStevo]

And I don't see BD as being hurt by this deal at all. It just gives the HD-DVD camp a few more legs to travel on.

You don't realize how contradictory this is do you? You don't see this hurting BD at all? Transformers? Shrek 3? all the BD discs that have been discontinued? This basically amounts to much more than a blind payoff and pray, but really is $150 million in marketing. All the press, both for these high profile exclusives, as well as the fact that the deal itself will be talked about until till this whole war is resolved.

BD will not be hurt at all?

Hello? Playoffs?

 

[diogen]

I think it was all about money. Why give up 2/3's to keep a 1/3rd of your business?

Just imagine how much Paramount and Dreamworks must have been pissed off by the BD gang that a paltry
150mln - less than Microsoft made in one day selling Halo 3 - made them show Sony the finger and turn HD exclusive.

Diogen.

 

[vurbano]

Really scraping the bottom of the BD FUD barrel now Joe. A thread based on a website in Chinese.

 

[diogen]

Numbers are dismal for the titles sold in either format. 8,962 copies of Shooter on BD to 5785 on HDDVD.

Just one torrent tracking site reports that this movie (from a 1CD version to HD DVD 720p and 1080p reencodes)
was downloaded more times than those two numbers combined...

Diogen.

 

[CochiseGuy]

That said, Paramount's numbers for sales of HD encoded discs is dismal. I think that Toshiba could of gotten Paramount's support for alot less money.

Let's see if you're still singing that tune after Transformers & Shrek 3.

I think it was all about money. Why give up 2/3's to keep a 1/3rd of your business? .

Is there something about chosing BD only for High-def that makes one capable of only of spewing out BDA mis-information?

Even by the numbers on the BDA chart - for 2007 only - HD DVD was over 40% of Paramounts HD sales. Using the Total HD sales since inception, HD DVD was 46% of sales.

But, you're right - Paramount probably only used forward looking numbers in making their decision to choose HD DVD.

 

[JoeSp]

Really scraping the bottom of the BD FUD barrel now Joe. A thread based on a website in Chinese.

The site is in Japanese Vurbano. My mother-in-law who lives with my wife and I is Japanese and can read and write fluently -- so I know what the site says. And the charts are in English just in case you missed all those charts. And since those are actual sales figures how is it FUD?

It simply amazes me that folks in the HD-DVD camp keep yelling FUD at sales figures, point to dwinling percentages of standalone sales and being in second as 'winning' and yet when shown real numbers, real facts all they can say is 'BD FUD'. Well how about instead of yelling FUD you PROVE that what I have stated or have posted for information is a lie!

If you can not do that then you my dear debaters are the FUD boys -- not I!

 

[JoeSp]

Two titles that HD-DVD will have that only one of them is worth having - Transformers. I can wait, it will be on BD eventually -- in 17 months is my guess. I will not dispute that 40% is not bad. But it is not 60% now is it? And there is no way that HD-DVD alone can make-up for that loss in revenue without the 150 mil payment to Paramount. They just do not have enough players in the homes (standalones and 360 players included) to make up that much of a differance.

You will not be seeing Cars, Spiderman 3, not ever going to see Casino Royal, or the many other box office hits from this year on HD-DVD. So I think I can do without Transformers for awhile. As for Shrek -- badly down sequel -- you will not be seeing another one. I would much rather have something from Pixar or Disney. And there is plenty coming down the pike for XMAS from them.

 

[crainbo]

Joe,

You're insane if you think there won't be another Shrek. 18th all-time at the box office.

18.Shrek the Third (2007)$320,706,665

 

[crainbo]

Just because you like Spiderman, Cars, and Casino Royale doesn't mean the american public likes them more than Shrek. Only Spiderman 3 is above Shrek on the box-office list. If you honestly don't think Transformers and Shrek aren't going to be huge on HD DVD, you've got a surprise in store for you.

 

[navychop]

Yes, they'll be big. But it looks like they're the only two really big ones coming out on HD DVD exclusively for the remainder of the year.

 

[crainbo]

Yeah with Ratatouille and Cars though, I assume BD backers are counting are Disney/Pixar, you've got parents who won't spring for a PS3 cause the kids are too young, and won't spring for the regular BluRay player cause it's too expensive. Ahhh, screw it, I'll just buy the DVD.

 

[diogen]

I know it's just me being the black sheep, but I could never understand the popularity of these Uber-Men series:
Superman, Batman, Spiderman, X-Men, etc. where the people are mostly portrayed as a dumb helpless bunch of nobodies
capable of nothing without those superpower holders...

Pathetic, IMHO.

Diogen.

 

[crainbo]

You just wish you could be one of them. You have to remember those nobodies have criminal masterminds, typically with super-powers of their own, trying to take over the world. Do you really think that George Bush and you could take these guys down?