dp 34 installation

[chris051873]

ok i have 2 dual tuners receivers,hooked up and working but i want to add an addition ird,,can this be done with a dp 34 i was told it could,,please let me know if you need any more info,,,thanks

 

[webbydude]

We would need to know more about your current LNBs and what sort of receiver you plan on adding on.

 

[chris051873]

more info

twin lnb 110 and 119 the add on is a dp301.010 there are currently dpd2's installed and dp plus separators installed,,please let me know what else is needed

 

[Jared Twomey]

to continue to use the seperators (and the 1 wire that you have running to each reciever, instead of 2) you will have to add a DPP44 Switch, not a DP34. If you go with a DP34 then you will have to have 2 DP34's daisy-chained together and an additional cable run to the dual tuner recievers, to do what you are wanting to do....

any more questions, feel free to ask

 

[SmityWhity]

I've seen someone use the term before, and thought it may be a DishPro Switch, like a DP21, or even a DP Splitter.

In any case, can anyone tell me what a DPD2 is?

 

[webbydude]

DPD2 is a diplexer. A quick search can give you the specifics of it's function. It basically either combines or separates your TV#2 and incoming satellite signals; depending on how and where it's used. In your case, I would figure you have 4 of them in your home (2 for each receiver).

 

[chris051873]

thanks birddoggy,,,can you give me some direction on how to hook up the dp44 before i go and buy one of those,,,,i was told that the dp34 would work as you say the dp44 would work so i just want to make sure and i really do appreciate everything

 

[Jared Twomey]

basically you will just connect a line from each lnb on the dish into the inputs on the DPP44. Then connect one wire from each reciever to the outputs on the switch. Depending on which Dish you have (Dish500 or Dish1000), will determine how many of the inputs you will use.

And just so ya know, the reason the DP34 is not the way to go, is because it does not support the ability to run 1 wire to the dual tuner recievers. If you went with the DP34 then you would have to run a 2nd wire to each dual tuner, and then cascade another switch (either another DP34 or DP21) to the third ird.

 

[SmityWhity]

DPD2 is a diplexer. A quick search can give you the specifics of it's function. It basically either combines or separates your TV#2 and incoming satellite signals; depending on how and where it's used. In your case, I would figure you have 4 of them in your home (2 for each receiver).

Thanks for the info, although not using them, I do have a couple of diplexers in my SUV and a couple more in the garage, just in case. Came from a retailer, but I don't think they have Dish logo on them.

Guess the DPD stands for "DishPro Diplexer".

Thanks again.

 

[chris051873]

basically you will just connect a line from each lnb on the dish into the inputs on the DPP44. Then connect one wire from each reciever to the outputs on the switch. Depending on which Dish you have (Dish500 or Dish1000), will determine how many of the inputs you will use.

And just so ya know, the reason the DP34 is not the way to go, is because it does not support the ability to run 1 wire to the dual tuner recievers. If you went with the DP34 then you would have to run a 2nd wire to each dual tuner, and then cascade another switch (either another DP34 or DP21) to the third ird.

thanks for all the info,,i appreciate all the help and knowledge you have but just to make sure,,can i use a sw44,,,i have seen them for sale as well,,and ohh is there a such thing as hijacking a thread????

 

[webbydude]

No...a SW44 is a major step backwards, IMO. With regards to wiring, it's similar to the DP34 in that you will need two feeds for a dual tuner. The rub is your existing LNBs will *not* work with the switch. Different technology altogether.

 

[SmityWhity]

thanks for all the info,,i appreciate all the help and knowledge you have but just to make sure,,can i use a sw44,,,i have seen them for sale as well,,and ohh is there a such thing as hijacking a thread????

Yes, threads can be hi-jacked, I was trying to analyze your system to ensure that others were giving you correct info; and not that I thought they would give you incorrect info, but that they may have misunderstood your limited amount of supplied info.

Since you have a DP Separator, you either have a DPP44 switch installed, a DPP Twin installed on either a Dish 500 or a Dish 1000 without any external switches, or possibly using a Dish 1000.2.

You were given the correct info for the second possibility.

 

[chris051873]

Yes, threads can be hi-jacked, I was trying to analyze your system to ensure that others were giving you correct info; and not that I thought they would give you incorrect info, but that they may have misunderstood your limited amount of supplied info.

Since you have a DP Separator, you either have a DPP44 switch installed, a DPP Twin installed on either a Dish 500 or a Dish 1000 without any external switches, or possibly using a Dish 1000.2.

You were given the correct info for the second possibility.

well thank you guys for the help,,,i didnt mean anything particular by the hijacking thing,,sorry if i hurt your feelings at all but almost seemed as you were taking over,,,and any ideas where to buy a cheap dp44

 

[SmityWhity]

No harm done, I'm retired and happy. If I get stressed, I take a happy pill.

I've heard some buying them on e-bay, that is the DPP44, maybe the pills too . If you go that route, make sure you get the power inserter that goes with it.

Otherwise, try a couple of vendors above, such as The DishStore or Sadoun. When getting prices, check and see if shipping is included and how much to your address. I believe the prices are about $170 - $200.

I don't know if Dish will sell you a new one directly or not.

EDIT:
Some hints on the DPP44.
- The stingers (coax center conductors) going into the DPP44 need to be longer than what you may be used to. If they are about a 1/4 inch past the threads, they should work.
- You are using Diplexers to mix and separate your Satellite and Over-the-Air signals. I would need to check, but there may be an issue on where on put your diplexers that are on the same line with the DPP44 Power Inserter - which must feed using DPP44 Receiver Port 1.

Although plenty of other good sites, here is one with a lot of documents and diagrams that will help. http://www.solidsignal.tv/dishpro_installation.asp

Just remember:
- Legacy Receivers use Legacy LNBF & Legacy Switches, except
- - - when using a DP Adapter or DPP44 Switch
- DishPro and DishPro Plus receivers are backwards compatible with Legacy LNBF and/or Switches.
- Legacy LNBF with Legacy Switches
- DishPro LNBF with DishPro or DishPro Plus Switches

 

[chris051873]

thanks smitywhity,,,you are full of info and that is great,,,wow that is a steep price,they are on flea bay for about 60.00 - ??.?? also i heard some people using them without the inserter,,how can that happen,,voltage from the ird??also would a regular rg6 coax work without the extended stingers,,i dont own a crimping/compression tool and really dont want to own one for a 1 time thing,,,let me know your thoughts and thanks Chris

 

[SmityWhity]

$60! That's as cheap as or cheaper than a DP34. Make sure it comes with the Power Inserter, but I've heard you can find them on ebay also.

I had some new pre-made RG-6 Quad cables from either Home Depot or Lowes that would not work. Right now I don't remember the brand name, but I think it was the only RG-6 Quad pre-made cables they sold.

Try what you have, if you run Check Switch and it shows the DPP44 and NC for the LNBF/Satellites, then it may be the center conductor; likewise if it does not find the DPP44.

Although I would recommend you either borrow a tool or buy a low end tool, you could also try adding jumpers at the DPP44 connections, but then you start loosing signal strength with multiple connections. But such short jumpers would help you isolate the problem(s).

Or, don't damage the tool/package and return it when you're finished.

EDIT:
Yes you will need the Power Inserter to make sure the DPP44 and the DPP Twin LNBF has enough power. Although some report it works without it, I believe they are taking a chance on burning up the receivers.

 

[chris051873]

ok well thanks for the info,,both of you were a big help and i'll let you know how things turn out,,,

 

[chris051873]

hey just a quick reply that everything is working good,,such as 2 dual tuner recievers,and one dp301 with my dpp44 and seperators,,,thanks for all the help !!!!!!!!!!!

 

[SmityWhity]

You're welcome, and thanks for the feed-back.