Installing Joeys using Cat 5 instead of Coax

[StephenJC]

If Joeys can connect to the Hopper via Coax or Cat 5, why do installers run Coax instead of Cat 5. Wouldn't Cat 5 be easier and cheaper? Can the Joey's connect to the Hoppers via WiFi on your home network? Thanks.

 

[lucky86]

They don't do it because it isn't an approved installation method. Does Wifi work, yes, but it is not an approved installation method.

 

[Smwoodward]

Cat 5 and wifi might actually work, but it isn't an approved connection. The thing about using coax is it creates a separate network for the video to use that will not disrupt any other traffic on your Ethernet/wireless network. I used a Joey on wireless for a bit and it really bogged down my wireless network.


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[charlesrshell]

Cat 5 and wifi might actually work, but it isn't an approved connection. The thing about using coax is it creates a separate network for the video to use that will not disrupt any other traffic on your Ethernet/wireless network. I used a Joey on wireless for a bit and it really bogged down my wireless network.


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My Joey is connected to both Cat5 and coax and all the Hoppers too. Network setup (Yellow - Blue - 1) is set on Ethernet. Will that cause my router to bog down?

 

[agentc13]

As an internal tech we've been told (in my area) we would be fired if we set up joey's wirelessly and were found out.

 

[TheKrell]

As an internal tech we've been told (in my area) we would be fired if we set up joey's wirelessly and were found out.

How about the OP's cat5?

 

[John Kotches]

How about the OP's cat5?

I suspect coax is the only acceptable method.

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[sparc]

If Joeys can connect to the Hopper via Coax or Cat 5, why do installers run Coax instead of Cat 5. Wouldn't Cat 5 be easier and cheaper?

The vast majority of the install would still be coax. Installing completely different cabling for only a small portion of the install for Joeys would cost them substantially more money.

That's basically why Dish is leaving the alternative wiring or wireless as DIY since they don't have to spend the money on training techs or sending them out to support it. I think wireless support is more likely to change as they continue to integrate and develop the technology. They've already prototyped wireless joeys.

 

[Scott Greczkowski]

Another thought, In many states installers need a special license for running Cat 5 cable.

Plus with consumer grade routers and hubs there is no quality control there, so people will be calling DISH upset because they are seeing freezeups, pixelazation etc because their router or hub is dropping packets. With this coax network, DISH can support it because they know its entire patch, there is nothing outside interfering with it.

 

[agentc13]

How about the OP's cat5?

Coax only as an internal tech.

 

[Smwoodward]

Another thought, In many states installers need a special license for running Cat 5 cable.

Do what!?!?!?!?!?


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[cditty]

I posted in my other thread, but I am going to ride this out on my Cat 6. I do IT for a living and have a very robust network setup here. I setup Static IP's based on MAC addresses of the two and did QoS between them.

It's working great and I don't feel like the hassle of changing out the HwS at the moment. It could be in my head, but I feel like the Joey is faster and more responsive via the Network connection.

 

[Stargazer]

In some states you have to have a license to run coax as well.

If network congestion is an issue then you could setup a different network hardwired and wireless to handle it. Setup your home router on channel 1 in the 2.4 GHZ band and your Dish router on channel 12 in the 2.4 GHZ band or run 5 GHZ for that so that there is no interference.

Cat5 has 4 pair. Two pair could be used for home network and the other two pair could be used for Dish - network.

 

[John Kotches]

cditty:

Very few consumers have the wherewithal to DYI their cabling plants. You're free to go your own way in what I call "unsupported land", but don't expect their support if something goes wrong.

I spend enough time at work with this kind of stuff, so I pick and choose what I'm going out on a limb for at home.




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[John Kotches]

Cat5 has 4 pair. Two pair could be used for home network and the other two pair could be used for Dish - network.

1. Congratulations, you just broke any ability to run Gigabit Ethernet.

2. Heaven help whoever has to follow behind you since you've completely ignored the wiring standard.

Bad idea, but there's nothing stopping you from doing this.




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[TigerpounceTN]

1. Congratulations, you just broke any ability to run Gigabit Ethernet.

2. Heaven help whoever has to follow behind you since you've completely ignored the wiring standard.

Bad idea, but there's nothing stopping v you from doing this.




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But it works. This whole conversation is outside of standards. In the end, it is up to the user to see what works for them.

 

[John Kotches]

But it works. This whole conversation is outside of standards. In the end, it is up to the user to see what works for them.

What do you do if Dish decides to shut off IP streaming over cat 5? Doesn't take much code to do this. The interfaces are predictable as the OS and hardware are known quantities.

It's a known risk, and those that are willing to do so are in "unsupported land".
Nothing wrong with that. But $20 says there will be complaints should Dish turn off the unsupported functionality.


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[3HaloODST]

I highly doubt that Dish will be shutting off Ethernet/WiFi on the Joeys. Not allowed to say why, but lets just say that I'm 99% sure that it won't happen.

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[cditty]

cditty:

Very few consumers have the wherewithal to DYI their cabling plants. You're free to go your own way in what I call "unsupported land", but don't expect their support if something goes wrong.

I spend enough time at work with this kind of stuff, so I pick and choose what I'm going out on a limb for at home.




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I don't... I didn't expect their support with the MOCA issue. I have learned never to expect support from DISH.

If I can spend 10 minutes and fix it until 'they' fix it, I don't consider that a problem. It's not like I jumped up in the attic and ran some cable. It was already there. I made some simple routes between two MAC addresses and that was it.

 

[TheKrell]

In some states you have to have a license to run coax as well.

That's insane. Just sayin'.

Cat5 has 4 pair. Two pair could be used for home network and the other two pair could be used for Dish - network.

Egad. This may be true, and there are adapters to do just that. But in my home, I just went with the pure play of GigE throughout.

I spend enough time at work with this kind of stuff, so I pick and choose what I'm going out on a limb for at home.

Are you serious? You probably know 10X what a Dish "by the rules" tech knows, license or not! How is this going out on a limb when you know what you're doing? Besides, there's an adventure component to pushing the envelope. But GigE or wireless is hardly going out on a limb, IMHO.

What do you do if Dish decides to shut off IP streaming over cat 5? Doesn't take much code to do this... But $20 says there will be complaints should Dish turn off the unsupported functionality.

Seems unlikely to moi. And I'd say more like "howls of pain" if they did that!