1080p

[MikeD-C05]

I have heard those with the Logitech Revue(Google TV) can upgrade their satellite signals to 1080p.

I use the google revue unit on both my hopper and my joey in the master bedroom to upconvert the 1080i signal to 1080p. I think it looks better ,but I'm sure someone will tell you that upconverting isn't the same as 1080p and it is useless. But till they come out with true 1080p on DISH receivers for everything, not just pay per views ,then the google revue units will do.

 

[whatchel1]

I don't see that happening, not for a long time anyway, as it would make every current tv and tv tuner obsolete again, people would need converter boxes to receive the signal. I guess if the FCC approved and the equipment makers went along with the move to combination mpeg2/4 OTA tuners, they could leave up a low res mpeg2 feed for legacy equipment and use the rest of their bandwidth for mpeg 4

I didn't say it would be soon. Europe was smart and waited and went 4 to start. A large amt of the tuners in TV's have a LAN connection for s/w updates. That is one of the reasons it's there. The tuners in the 722k may also have it so they could do it as well. The hopper doesn't have one built in at all so w/ an add on OTA tuner it will be compatible also. D's I think it is the HR34 has outboard OTA as well so that could be upgraded maybe w/ a s/w download or replacement. So some of this is already being done in steps. When it is done it will be done as the conversion from analog to digital. Warnings for a long time then a drop dead date. On that date boom it will be done and over with. Those that didn't pay any attention will be calling the stations asking what happened. It will be forced due to frequency spectrum issues. Same reason we went digital to start with. Thing is it may not happen at all because there is now a big push to go 1440p. Why bother w/ 1080p when the plans are full tilt boogie to push into 1440 or maybe even 4K. The industry is in flux my friend.

 

[DishSubLA]

I think the problem with any attempt to move ATSC to MPEG4 (which ATSC does support), is the TV manufacturers will probably be against it as it adds to cost and retail price of the HDTV to support both MPEG's (as they would be mandated to support), and would argue that the vast majority of the population--regardless of the well reported but insignificant use of OTA in homes--gets their TV programming from MPVD's, and on-line streaming services are the growth and future, not OTA, and that it would be an undue burden for mandating the support for ATSC MPEG2 & MPEG4.

There just won't be a chance at all that we will be using OTA for viewing for accessing HDTV entertainment by the time our FCC is ready to make obsolete all of our HDTV's in about 20 years. I really do think the in the decades to come, the OTA HDTV spectrum will no longer be used for linear ATSC broadcasts. Instead it will likely be used for more portable, smartphone like devices or what ever wonderful new devices we can't even imagine, but we access the data via wireless technology/RF spectrum. That's the REAL value of the spectrum in the future.

 

[whatchel1]

I think the problem with any attempt to move ATSC to MPEG4 (which ATSC does support), is the TV manufacturers will probably be against it as it adds to cost and retail price of the HDTV to support both MPEG's (as they would be mandated to support), and would argue that the vast majority of the population--regardless of the well reported but insignificant use of OTA in homes--gets their TV programming from MPVD's, and on-line streaming services are the growth and future, not OTA, and that it would be an undue burden for mandating the support for ATSC MPEG2 & MPEG4.

There just won't be a chance at all that we will be using OTA for viewing for accessing HDTV entertainment by the time our FCC is ready to make obsolete all of our HDTV's in about 20 years. I really do think the in the decades to come, the OTA HDTV spectrum will no longer be used for linear ATSC broadcasts. Instead it will likely be used for more portable, smartphone like devices or what ever wonderful new devices we can't even imagine, but we access the data via wireless technology/RF spectrum. That's the REAL value of the spectrum in the future.

You actually made the point as to why it would be good to go MPEG4 or when the next MPEG release comes out I think it is MPEG8 to push the manufacturers to support the new standard. It is the push to use more the spectrum in different ways. So new standards mean there will be more room.

 

[BBruin66]

It doesn't do any upconverting. Read up on the differences between i and p. They are in the way the image is refreshed and has NOTHING to do with resolution. (which is what upconverting does)

Read here for all you never wanted to know about the difference 1080p vs 1080i - HD Videos Progressive & Interlaced Scan Explained

Don't get me wrong, p is better than i, but minutely. Whereas 1080 is better than 720 by a larger margin.

1080p24 (BLU-ray standard) actually has fewer frames than 1080i! But its image quality and bitrate surpass anything that you can get in 1080i. (Unless you can view whatever downlink network TV stations get as affiliates. Which pretty much means you'd have to work at the TV station and stay after work to watch TV.)

Fact of the matter is Dish 1080p PPV might be even worse quality than their carriage of your local channels in 1080i. Those letters just determine the way in which the image is flashed on your screen 30 times per second. Compression does a whole lot more damage to your image. Dish, DirecTV, netflix, Cable and even OTA stations reduce quality with compression so they can offer more of their channels. Again this is where BLU-Ray is superior because it doesn't suffer near the amount of compression than broadcasts do. (I assume some is done to fit the movie to the disc, from whatever source material modern Movies are made for IMAX, 4K etc.)

 

[KAB]

Dear Lord, High Def Jeff reincarnate.