2022-2023 NCAA Football Thread

[Jimbo]

yes and no. They get a portion of the ACC revenues for everything but football, and keep football money all to themselves. And all they need is for the football portion to be close to the team shares of a conference to come out ahead.

How so? No rule says a team has to join a conference. If you need to blame someone, blame the Big Ten for denying them entry due to being a catholic school.

Say WHAT ?

The Big Ten has all but kissed thier Ring trying to get them in the conference.

 

[Derwin0]

Say WHAT ?

The Big Ten has all but kissed thier Ring trying to get them in the conference.

That wasn't so back in the old old days when the Irish tried to join the Big Ten and the Big Ten told them to go pound sand and forced the Irish to go the Independent route. The Irish have a long memory.

Notre Dame And The Big Ten - Part III: Independence Is Not For Sale

Notre Dame has rebuffed overtures from the Big Ten in recent decades, making it clear independence was at the heart of what makes Notre Dame, Notre Dame

www.si.com

 

[Jimbo]

That wasn't so back in the old old days when the Irish tried to join the Big Ten and the Big Ten told them to go pound sand and forced the Irish to go the Independent route. The Irish have a long memory.

Notre Dame And The Big Ten - Part III: Independence Is Not For Sale

Notre Dame has rebuffed overtures from the Big Ten in recent decades, making it clear independence was at the heart of what makes Notre Dame, Notre Dame

www.si.com

That was interesting, but the part of ND wanting to join the BT must be in part 1 or 2.

Guess it doesn't matter until the Big Ten Doesn't ask ND and they want to be asked.

Again, they are too Good for everyone else ...

Theres a reason why people that are not fans of thiers dislike them.

 

[Derwin0]

That was interesting, but the part of ND wanting to join the BT must be in part 1 or 2.

The very first line of the link article says:
"The Big Ten’s decision to spurn Notre Dame’s final attempt to join in 1926 hardened the independent spirit of the university"

Again, they are too Good for everyone else ...

Not too good, just don't have any reason to. For some reason the Big Ten people take it as an insult that Notre Dame dared turn down their invite.

Theres a reason why people that are not fans of thiers dislike them.

Same can be said about Ohio St. or any number of teams with inflated egos.

 

[Jimbo]

Seems they hold a grudge for a long time (1926) ...

 

[Jimbo]

The very first line of the link article says:
"The Big Ten’s decision to spurn Notre Dame’s final attempt to join in 1926 hardened the independent spirit of the university"

Not too good, just don't have any reason to. For some reason the Big Ten people take it as an insult that Notre Dame dared turn down their invite.

Same can be said about Ohio St. or any number of teams with inflated egos.

Mainly they want to pick and choose who they play and any contract they want the money to themselves ...
Except, when they decided for unknown reasons to join the ACC they were required to take on 4-5 games against ACC teams (which only makes sense) ...
They can continue to be independent , no big deal, they lose money and placement within the Playoffs when and if they are good enough to qualify.

You are right about the Buckeyes and Bama and the Other teams that are Very good ... people dislike many of them, because they are good.

Georgia isn't there yet, but if they continue to play at a Top level they will be in the same boat.

ND just rubs people the wrong way because they feel they should be there, whenever they are good at all ...

ND really should not have been in the playoffs when they were, but then the Playoffs committee isn't always correct with thier placements ...
Matter of Fact I think they more of less, put in who they WANT to play ....

There was a year that OSU should not have gotten in as well as Bama shouldn't have been in.

Some teams get in because they know they will be good ratings, some get in because of Name and others get in because they are an upstart and want to see what would happen.

That will all come to an end soon when they make College Football boring and put 12 or even 16 teams in ...
That will be the end of Football as we know it.

The NIL and the Transfer Pool has started that roll and the expansion will just continue its demise.

 

[Jimbo]

They really need to have Rules with the NIL and Transfer pool ...
Time frame so you can know who you have on your team to work with.

NIL needs a ceiling on what kids can make .... and some rules.

Q. When Quinn Ewers decided to leave High School early and attend Ohio State (so he could get away from Texas where they don't allow you to make that money while in HS) and signed that HUGE (at the time) NIL deal to sign autographs basically ...
I'm wondering if he got paid the whole amount ?
Don't you think in your NIL deal that they require you to actually PLAY ...
Could they take a lot of that money away when he didn't play (2 snaps in his career) he was 3rd string QB at OSU thruout his brief 1 year career, before he Transferred AGAIN ...

This time to Texas, that brings up the next question 1. did he get paid for his time in Ohio, does that lucrative NIL deal go to Texas with him or does it go away if he moves elsewhere ....
A lot of guys NIL deals are with Local ties, why would a local company in Ohio care about anything he may do in Texas, they get nothing at that point ...

Has anybody followed any of these NIL deals and what does happen if you transfer ?
Ewers never had any intention of playing at OSU, he only went for the Money.

I suppose if Coach Day had dropped all the QB's ahead of him when he walked in, he may have stayed.

 

[Derwin0]

Mainly they want to pick and choose who they play and any contract they want the money to themselves ...

And what is wrong with that?

No different than the Big Ten (or SEC) when they banned member schools from playing non-conference games back in 2020.

Like I said, the Big Ten people have taken it as an insult that Notre Dame dared turn down their invite. Oh the humanity...

 

[Jimbo]

And what is wrong with that?

No different than the Big Ten (or SEC) when they banned member schools from playing non-conference games back in 2020.

Like I said, the Big Ten people have taken it as an insult that Notre Dame dared turn down their invite. Oh the humanity...

Personally, I don't care if they are in the conference or not .... I just think they should only play teams that are not in a conference then.

Why should they get to pick and choose who they play and when .... no one else is allowed to do that.

Then again, lets go the Other way ... OK, now, Everyone is an Independant .... now anyone can play any one else, ,lets see how THAT works out.

It will be quite interesting if the Big Ten takes action and say, no Big Ten team will play ND ... I've heard that talked about, don't know if theres any possibility of it actually happening .....
Hmmmm ... ND doesn't play Michigan or Purdue, or USC or Michigan State or anyone else from the BT, now what does that great schedule look like.

They typically play ACC and BT teams, any ways, so I don't see what the big deal is with joining a conference.

 

[Yespage]

NILs are ridiculous. All of the players should be getting something for playing and generating revenue. NILs seem to make things worse.

 

[Derwin0]

Personally, I don't care if they are in the conference or not ....

Doesn't seem that way, as you keep complaining about them being independent.

I just think they should only play teams that are not in a conference then.

Why? Conferences allow out-of-conference games. If the Big Ten doesn't want to play Notre Dame, have at it, the other conferences have no such hard feeling towards them.

Why should they get to pick and choose who they play and when .... no one else is allowed to do that.

Everyone can choose who they want to play. Being in a conference and thus playing "x" number of conference games isn't mandatory.
Plus Notre Dame isn't the only independent in Div 1, there is also Army, BYU, Liberty, New Mexico State, UConn and UMass.

And wasn't Ohio State able to pick and choose to play Arkansas State and Toledo?

So... do you really not care if Notre Dame doesn't join a conference? Or are you just PO'd that they told the Big Ten "No thanks"?

 

[Jimbo]

Doesn't seem that way, as you keep complaining about them being independent.

Why? Conferences allow out-of-conference games. If the Big Ten doesn't want to play Notre Dame, have at it, the other conferences have no such hard feeling towards them.

Everyone can choose who they want to play. Being in a conference and thus playing "x" number of conference games isn't mandatory.
Plus Notre Dame isn't the only independent in Div 1, there is also Army, BYU, Liberty, New Mexico State, UConn and UMass.

And wasn't Ohio State able to pick and choose to play Arkansas State and Toledo?

So... do you really not care if Notre Dame doesn't join a conference? Or are you just PO'd that they told the Big Ten "No thanks"?

Toledo and Arkansas State were not a choose to play, they were Scheduled to play many years out ...
Also, the real reason those teams are on the schedule is because they will get a massive pay out to play.

You have to have someone to play OOC

I guess Everybody is OOC for ND.


Ohio State actually tried to go Independent during the Pandemic years and were not able to .... they did what they could to Play the games, even joining the SEC was talked about.

ND must really hate that they are now tied to playing 4-5 games against the ACC every year.

 

[Derwin0]

Toledo and Arkansas State were not a choose to play, they were Scheduled to play many years out ...

They were chosen to play by Ohio State, whether that was now or years ago, Ohio State chose to play them.

Also, the real reason those teams are on the schedule is because they will get a massive pay out to play.

You have to have someone to play OOC

I guess Everybody is OOC for ND.

Nothing but excuses. Yes Notre Dame plays more OOC games (all of them), and Ohio State plays 3 of them (used to be 4 until the conference decided to go to 9 games, while the ACC & SEC remain at 4).

Ohio State actually tried to go Independent during the Pandemic years and were not able to .... they did what they could to Play the games, even joining the SEC was talked about.

The Big Ten office telling them that they couldn't play at all, and then limiting the number of games is a big reason Notre Dame won't join the Big Ten. They won't want that kind of control over them.

ND must really hate that they are now tied to playing 4-5 games against the ACC every year.

Not really, they willingly signed up for it. Helped that 2 of the teams were already regular opponents (Pitt & Boston College), as well as a historical rival in Ga Tech. Only people that seem to hate that arraignment are Big Ten people.

 

[Jimbo]

They were chosen to play by Ohio State, whether that was now or years ago, Ohio State chose to play them.

Nothing but excuses. Yes Notre Dame plays more OOC games (all of them), and Ohio State plays 3 of them (used to be 4 until the conference decided to go to 9 games, while the ACC & SEC remain at 4).

The Big Ten office telling them that they couldn't play at all, and then limiting the number of games is a big reason Notre Dame won't join the Big Ten. They won't want that kind of control over them.

Not really, they willingly signed up for it. Helped that 2 of the teams were already regular opponents (Pitt & Boston College), as well as a historical rival in Ga Tech. Only people that seem to hate that arraignment are Big Ten people.

Georgia Tech is a Historical Rival for ND ?

Theres one I would have never guessed.

 

[Derwin0]

Georgia Tech is a Historical Rival for ND ?

Theres one I would have never guessed.

Yeah, they played every year before Tech joined the ACC in the early 80's.

 

[AZ.]

Yeah, they played every year before Tech joined the ACC in the early 80's.

Yep for decades they played USC every year, not anymore....Didnt they discontinue their yearly play with Michigan also?

 

[Derwin0]

Yep for decades they played USC every year, not anymore....Didnt they discontinue their yearly play with Michigan also?

They still play them every year. The only year they skipped was 2020.

That likely will remain the case when USC switches conferences and keeps Notre Dame was one of it's 3 OOC games. No reason for either school to end the contract.

USC Plans to Continue Notre Dame Rivalry After Big Ten Move, per Report - Sports Illustrated News

One of the Trojans’ most significant rivalries is with the Independent power.

news.si.com

When Notre Dame started playing ACC games, they ended the annual Purdue, Michigan and Michigan State games, but kept the annual USC, Stanford, and Navy games, and switched Pitt & Boston College from annual to the ACC rotation.

 

[Ramy]

Kentucky is ranked to start the season for the first time in a long time.

 

[Mike0616]

Kentucky is ranked to start the season for the first time in a long time.

When was the last time? Bear's days?

 

[cosmo_kramer]

College Football Playoff expansion: Vote to expand to 12 teams coming as early as Friday, per CBS Sports

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If passed, it would take effect as soon as the 2024 season….