Directv 1R (110W) is scheduled for end of life deorbit and has been removed from the SatMaps! database. Directv 1R Deorbit Documentation
Iceberg said:so does it go to that big stud satellite farm in heaven?![]()
nelson61 said:Going to get thick up there. They call it "deorbit" and in the process they increase the elevation a hundred miles or so. This puts it on an escape velocity but really slow movement. If they moved It even a little distance closer to the earth, it would slowly start descent over many many years.
Let it descend!! Everybody else seems to "lose" communication with their satellites and they come crashing down to earth, why not let another one?![]()
polychromeuganda said:Communications sattelites in geosynchronous orbit don't carry enough propellant to lose enough velocity to achieve an orbit low enough to noticably increase their drag and accelerate their inevitable fall to earth. The stationkeeping thrusters only have enough energy to change their orbital by a few hundred km. It doesn't matter if you use the thrusters to increase the velocity and raise the orbit or decrease the velocity and lower the orbit. The energy available is only a tiny fraction, less than one percent, of the energy required to manoevre to either dip into the atmosphere and crash or achieve escape velocity and leave earth orbit.
The statement that implied the payload vehicle would continue to slowly drift further away from earth was mistaken. Increasing orbital height requires increasing velocity and that requires an ongoing energy input. The solar pressure from the sun averages out to nil over the long term and there's no appreciable atmospheric drag as there is in low earth orbit.
The statement preferring pushing dead satellites down rather than up ignores some practical considerations. If you push the thing downward, then everything ascending to geosynchronous orbit has to avoid it until it crashes, on a timescale marked in centuries. Unfortunately, there are a lot of upper stages left over from the launch vehicles that put these sattelites in orbit already there in highly eccentric orbits (highly eccentric implies their velocity at the peak is much lower than an object in circulr orbit at the same altitude). If the satellite is pushed downward its likely to eventually impact one or more of these eccentric orbits with a considerablly different velocity and produce a lot of small debris that can't be tracked and avoided.
So, the preference is to park the dead satellite up and out of the way. They also intentionally vent the remaining propellants, flatten the batteries, and so on to remove all onboard energy sources that might one day explode and spread debris.
There's nothing special about geosynchronous orbit other than that the obital period matches the planet's rotation, but since its kind of handy to not need tracking motors on satellite TV dishes, they're trying to minimize debris to keep the orbit useful for as long as possible. It won't last forvever, but maybe by then we won't need it anyway.
Let me get this straight. When old satellites get decommissioned they just use maneuvering thrusters to push them a few hundred km higher and the same thing is done with most other satellites too?
Why are they Turning it off if it still works and has fuel. I say still works because a few days ago I checked somebodies signal on 110 and it was good. Is it because it's about to lose fuel and they want to park the satelite up higher with the last bit of fuel it has?
Thanks for imparting us with your knowledge, i think it's weird how many satelitte techs I know (me included) who know so little about how our satelites actually work.
Ps we talking about directv sattelite here or dish?
According to lyngsat directv5 is still at 110. The aren't going to give up those transponders to dish network.
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So is there any satellite at 110 to replace it?
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