Fees increasing?

[3HaloODST]

That's the magic of the ETF. Churn is delayed several months when the cost to switch is high.

Yep, and they sneakily waited until after people upgraded to HwS to hike the price, thus renewing many people's contracts.

 

[harshness]

Is MS moving away from supporting Media Center?

Not including it in Windows 8 was the first step. Stripping out DVD support and not adding Blu-ray support is another.

Microsoft seems to think that Internet Explorer is going to be their new media platform.

 

[3HaloODST]

While I agree with your sentiment, in practicality there isn't a lot of difference in the most current tech from both.

Yeah, Hopper invoked a $10 DVR fee, but that was actually $7 DVR+$3 for MRV which is exactly what D* charged at the time

Now that goes to $14 for DVR+MRV for E* and D* is now $15 for that same thing IF you can get the $10 HD fee off the $25 Adv Rcvr fee.

For lease, Joeys are $7, Cxx are $6.

Very minor differences and frankly both D* and E* are really looking at going to all Genie/Cxx, Hopper/Joey combos and move away from the classic DVRs imo.
Right now if you want more DVRs in the mix, then D* is a deal, otherwise the differential is minor.

Yep, they are taking advantage of WHDVR to charge more for less. I mean, $7 for a dumb box that doesn't even have it's own tuner is ridiculous. 211k is better value. Who would want 1 Hopper and 3 Joeys? $35 in fees for an anemic WHDVR setup, what a joke. The first Joey should be free, at the very least. These fees area almost just as ridiculous as the $17 Duo DVR fees now. Hopper is still a tad cheaper than the ViP series if you want large amounts of tuners + DVR sharing.

 

[navychop]

.... Microsoft seems to think that Internet Explorer is going to be their new media platform.

Ouch! Double ungood.

 

[gadgtfreek]

Yep, they are taking advantage of WHDVR to charge more for less. I mean, $7 for a dumb box that doesn't even have it's own tuner is ridiculous. 211k is better value. Who would want 1 Hopper and 3 Joeys? $35 in fees for an anemic WHDVR setup, what a joke. The first Joey should be free, at the very least. These fees area almost just as ridiculous as the $17 Duo DVR fees now. Hopper is still a tad cheaper than the ViP series if you want large amounts of tuners + DVR sharing.

Its a good point. $35 for 3 tuners kinda sucks...

 

[navychop]

SIGH.


I just remembered the iPad transfer feature. Now that the DTV DVRPal at my RV has died, that becomes very important. But I'll probably have to go to 1H/1J and lose a tuner and redundancy.

 

[3HaloODST]

SIGH.


I just remembered the iPad transfer feature. Now that the DTV DVRPal at my RV has died, that becomes very important. But I'll probably have to go to 1H/1J and lose a tuner and redundancy.

2H/0J is just a $4 increase over 2 722s. I'd say that it's still a better value than 2 722s.

 

[navychop]

2H/0J is just a $4 increase over 2 722s. I'd say that it's still a better value than 2 722s.

I'll have to run my spreadsheet at home. But this $11 monthly increase over current fees is a concern.

 

[Gobucks]

I'm new to Dish about 5 months in. Is this normal? Should I expect increases in programming and fee's every year? I was previously with Direct and they always raised prices for programming but they would let the fee's go for a while. I really like Dish but I can't take a $10 to $15 a year in increases.


I just realized that this may be a way for them to make up the free HD for life fee! Damn!!

 

[3HaloODST]

I'll have to run my spreadsheet at home. But this $11 monthly increase over current fees is a concern.

Well, as it were, 2H/0J would have been cheaper in monthly fees than 2 722s. This price increase just brings the Hopper more in line with the old ViP-style fee structure. I doubt that the fees will go any higher anytime soon. Who knows, though.

 

[rajmarie]

I don't know if anyone else has pointed this out, but here goes:

Phase I Dish Network develops this receiver to snag more new customers away from DirecTV and Cable.
Phase II Dish offers crazy deals to current customers in order to get them to buy fancy new receivers.
Phase III Dish squeezes money out of its customers by raising rates on all of the people from I and II who just signed two year contracts

Did I miss something?

This does not sound like giving your customers what you want. This sounds like the definition of bait and switch. How anyone agrees to a two year contract with these hooligans is beyond me.

So it is good that dish is making those subs pay who actually enjoyed the benefit rather then make all there subs bear this increase.

This will make people realize that extra hopper is useless. Same happened some years ago when dish increased the price of duo receivers. Suddenly most of the subs having multiple due dvr receivers realized that they don't need that.

In the end it's he same effect.

 

[david_jr]

I went from the VIP system paying $17 for 722 & 612 to 2H/3J paying $38 a month in fees. Now I'm getting an $11 month increase to make it $49 a month in fees?!? That's $9.80 per outlet in fees. Almost 40% of my bill will be fees. Seems like a lot. I already dropped Superstations. Next will be PP and then will have to think hard about BB@H. I wouldn't call it corporate greed. I call it gouging. I see it everywhere not just in corporations. Even taking the fam out for ice cream you get gouged these days. Go anywhere on vacation and get gouged everywhere you stop. I guess Dish is getting on the gouging bandwagon. I had to laugh when I saw their commercial yesterday accusing D* of hidden fees. Well I guess E* is OK cause they don't hide the fees. They have them though don't they?

 

[Mochuf]

Not including it in Windows 8 was the first step. Stripping out DVD support and not adding Blu-ray support is another.

Microsoft seems to think that Internet Explorer is going to be their new media platform.

From what I've read, it looks like the next-gen Xbox will be their new media platform. Especially if the rumor about it having dvr capability is true.


While equipment fees from all pay-tv providers is becoming over the top expensive, cabelcos do have the cable card advantage. If you're willing to spend the money upfront, you can create your own WHDVR system for just a few dollars per month.

 

[gpflepsen]

So it is good that dish is making those subs pay who actually enjoyed the benefit rather then make all there subs bear this increase.

This will make people realize that extra hopper is useless. Same happened some years ago when dish increased the price of duo receivers. Suddenly most of the subs having multiple due dvr receivers realized that they don't need that.

In the end it's he same effect.

How can you have a benefit that is useless?

 

[3HaloODST]

Remember all the freebies over the last couple of years? This is how Dish is making up for it. Not so free after all!

 

[catnap1972]

I had to laugh when I saw their commercial yesterday accusing D* of hidden fees. Well I guess E* is OK cause they don't hide the fees. They have them though don't they?

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! We don't have fees! Only EVUL Directv has fees!

 

[mike123abc]

It just shows there really would be a demand for a 6 tuner hopper. All the excuses of just get 2 hoppers and have more reliability now just is get 2 hoppers and get more fees.

 

[Teehar]

The reality is,even if Dish releases a 4 or 6 tuner hopper,they will still charge higher fees.They'll make it to where there is no gain in having one hopper or two.

 

[stardust3]

With Charlie Ergen's net worth @ 10.6 billion http://www.forbes.com/profile/charles-ergen/ he could easily be pushing 12 billion+ in a year's time with the new hopper fees. Seems like yesterday the same page had him @ 8 billion. How does he make ends meet?

I'm all about making money without limits, but just how many billions does it take to provide for your family? When you're pushing daisies does it really even matter? You sure can't take it with you.

This is 1 of my favorite quotes from a notable American philanthropist Chuck Feeney, http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/08/n...ilanthropist-struggles-to-go-broke.html?_r=1& "I want the last check I write to Bounce". Too bad Charlie's mind set is altogether different than Mr Feeney's.

While I have no immediate plans on canceling dish they will however only be getting the bare minimum from me.

 

[Jim S.]

While equipment fees from all pay-tv providers is becoming over the top expensive, cabelcos do have the cable card advantage. If you're willing to spend the money upfront, you can create your own WHDVR system for just a few dollars per month.

There's no shortage of STBs and PC cards with card slots for satellite. All we need is for the government to make the providers allow their use. There shouldn't be any reason why they couldn't. If they can do so for cable -- which is distributed on private infrastructure, and thus by my reckoning should've been completely immune from government interference! -- then doing it for a service using the "public" / government-owned spectrum should be a no-brainer.