HBO/Cinemax Takedown

[jerryez]

<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 29" data-quote="Bobby" data-source="post: 4299039" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/xen/goto/post?id=4299039" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-4299039">Bobby said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> Netflix does not have Maher, Oliver, Deuce, True Detective, Game of Thrones, etc. </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote><br /> I do not watch any of those shows anyway, so I would not miss them. You would be surprised that you can change your viewing habits based on what programs are available from what channels that you subscribe to. And in a very short time, you will not even miss your previous favorite programs.<br /> I think that we should all boycott ATT. Switch to Verizon, drop Directtv, bpycott all venues of HBO and put ATT out of business. We could do it, if we got a movement going. ATT SUCKS!</div>

 

[CyberSpock]

<div class="bbWrapper">It would be painful but I could stop watching any of these shows. Or I could just find a way to watch a few series via DVD, prime etc.<br /> <br /> To me, this is just the first domino to fall towards a future where it&#039;s all direct marketing. I&#039;d miss the Dish dvr, but since everything becomes on demand I guess I wouldn&#039;t be needing it.<br /> <br /> Oh and tweet/watching with friends... I&#039;d miss that. <br /> <br /> Sent from my SM-G965U1 using Tapatalk</div>

 

[PHXHoward]

<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 25764" data-quote="KAB" data-source="post: 4299141" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/xen/goto/post?id=4299141" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-4299141">KAB said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> Talked to a tech rep while helping my brother. He said what ATT wants from Dish would probably result in a charge of $25-30.00 a month. Could be BS, but that&#039;s what he said. </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote><br /> They can&#039;t raise the rate above $15 per month which seems to be the standard for HBO right now. Question is how much it costs Dish and if Dish will be able to add discounts like they used to in order to get their HBO subscriber number up.</div>

 

[EatMyVolts]

<div class="bbWrapper">Well so far, I haven&#039;t missed HBO. Even more important, Mrs Volts hasn&#039;t missed it either. Add no more boxing into the mix -<i> I will miss speculating on how drunk Harold Lederman is </i>- and I&#039;m going to be saving some money. I&#039;ll bet I&#039;m not the only one feeling this way and it could end up hurting HBO.</div>

 

[Claude Greiner]

<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 9854" data-quote="goaliebob99" data-source="post: 4298597" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/xen/goto/post?id=4298597" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-4298597">goaliebob99 said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> IT&#039;s not dish&#039;s content. AT&amp;T can stipulate what they feel is free market value for that content and if Dish doesn&#039;t like it then they don&#039;t have to accept. I see a lot of speculative comments on here blaming AT&amp;T but no one for one moment is taking a step back to see the real picture that Dish has no leverage because they failed to see where the industry was going with content acquisitions. The real person you should be mad at is Charlie for not setting the company up for the future and banking on spectrum. Now, they are going to have to find some way to even the playing field for dish or this will continue to happen with other content providers as well. I do believe, that AT&amp;T tried to negotiate in good faith given AT&amp;T&#039;s statement. <br /> <br /> &quot;The Department of Justice collaborated closely with Dish in its unsuccessful lawsuit to block our merger. That collaboration continues to this day with Dish&#039;s tactical decision to drop HBO – not the other way around. DOJ failed to prove its claims about HBO at trial and then abandoned them on appeal.&quot;<br /> <br /> Honestly, the Trump admin hates AT&amp;T so much that do you think it wouldn&#039;t be beyond the DOJ as directed by Trump to do something like that? It&#039;s not out of the realm of possibilities given the rhetoric the government has had against AT&amp;T and if ATT gave Dish a sweetheart deal they probably would have denied it. After all, Dish also could have kept those channels up and backdated the contract as has been done in the past with negotiations like these. The fact they didn&#039;t speaks volumes given Dish&#039;s history. </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote><br /> I agree</div>

 

[Claude Greiner]

<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 200192" data-quote="CyberSpock" data-source="post: 4298637" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/xen/goto/post?id=4298637" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-4298637">CyberSpock said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> On Dishpromise.com and channel 301 they say that AT&amp;T pulled the channels. So who is lying? Is there a way to find out which way it happened eventually? <br /> <br /> Sent from my SM-G965U1 using Tapatalk </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote><br /> Dish always lies about this stuff. <br /> <br /> It&#039;s like the boy who cried wolf. I have seen the same story so many times I don&#039;t believe Dish anymore.</div>

 

[Claude Greiner]

<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 1" data-quote="Scott Greczkowski" data-source="post: 4298625" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/xen/goto/post?id=4298625" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-4298625">Scott Greczkowski said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> HBO (AT&amp;T) is taking ads out all over telling people to switch, if they really were not wanting to be dropped these ads would not already be up. </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote><br /> That&#039;s funny. <br /> <br /> I almost bet AT&amp;T anticipated Dish to be a hard negotiator and knew ahead of time this would happen.</div>

 

[glynnp]

<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 66" data-quote="Claude Greiner" data-source="post: 4299168" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/xen/goto/post?id=4299168" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-4299168">Claude Greiner said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> That&#039;s funny.<br /> <br /> I almost bet AT&amp;T anticipated Dish to be a hard negotiator and knew ahead of time this would happen. </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote><br /> What is an &quot;almost bet&quot; ?<br /> <br /> Is it anything like a &quot;definite maybe&quot; ?</div>

 

[CyberSpock]

<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 200915" data-quote="glynnp" data-source="post: 4299173" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/xen/goto/post?id=4299173" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-4299173">glynnp said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> What is an &quot;almost bet&quot; ?<br /> <br /> Is it anything like a &quot;definite maybe&quot; ? </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote>It means he&#039;s almost right <br /> <br /> Sent from my SM-G965U1 using Tapatalk</div>

 

[DJ Lon]

<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 148638" data-quote="DJ Lon" data-source="post: 4298940" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/xen/goto/post?id=4298940" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-4298940">DJ Lon said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> Actually channel 103 says freeview on 130 ends the 4th </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote>I stand corrected; I looked at the slide today and it now says the 30th of this month</div>

 

[ChadT41]

<div class="bbWrapper">It&#039;s true, ATt owns ATT and can set what they feel is free market value. It is also true that their anti competitive attitude may bite them in the ass when they go back for oral arguments and a final decision is made. Until then, whether you agree with ATT or Dish, will not matter. It&#039;s all speculation on the legality of it, and if one side is right or wrong. <br /> <br /> <br /> On that note, ATT still = BAD.</div>

 

[HipKat]

<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 374" data-quote="Juan" data-source="post: 4299052" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/xen/goto/post?id=4299052" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-4299052">Juan said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> Or they can get a att cellphone and get it at a really good price<br /> <br /> Sent from my SM-G950U using the <a href="http://r.tapatalk.com/byo?rid=284" target="_blank" class="link link--external link--favicon link--favicon--before" style="background-image:url('https://www.google.com/s2/favicons?domain=r.tapatalk.com');" rel="nofollow ugc noopener">SatelliteGuys</a> app! </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote>Oh good, I&#039;ll switch to AT&amp;T so I can get HBO free and have crappy cell service in 95% of the places I go.....</div>

 

[HipKat]

<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 202356" data-quote="Howard Simmons" data-source="post: 4299088" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/xen/goto/post?id=4299088" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-4299088">Howard Simmons said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> ESPN also has boxing </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote>Yeah, watched that fight last week. It was a great one</div>

 

[HipKat]

<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 134719" data-quote="PHXHoward" data-source="post: 4299093" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/xen/goto/post?id=4299093" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-4299093">PHXHoward said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> Interesting. Maybe the HBO live tv option on Amazon is only available on some devices. I checked the Amazon Prime Apple TV app and could only see on demand content. Basically I care due to Real Time viewing. Neighbors come by to watch on Friday nights so waiting 24 hours to post on HBO Now isn&#039;t good enough.<br /> <br /> Frustrating. I have been a loyal HBO subscriber for two decades and now caught in the middle of some money making dispute between two companies. </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote>Same here on my Firestick - only saw On Demand</div>

 

[sxmfan2018]

<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 66" data-quote="Claude Greiner" data-source="post: 4299166" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/xen/goto/post?id=4299166" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-4299166">Claude Greiner said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> Dish always lies about this stuff.<br /> <br /> It&#039;s like the boy who cried wolf. I have seen the same story so many times I don&#039;t believe Dish anymore. </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote>i was warned about this crap after i signed up. i hope it don&#039;t happen to often though. every ones like dish is cheaper because they keep loosing channels<img src="/xen/smiles/augentreher.gif" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":coco" title="Augentreher :coco" data-shortname=":coco" /></div>

 

[CyberSpock]

<div class="bbWrapper">How much flexibility does Dish have to raise the price of HBO for existing contracts? <br /> <br /> Sent from my SM-G965U1 using Tapatalk</div>

 

[rad]

<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 192526" data-quote="ChadT41" data-source="post: 4299191" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/xen/goto/post?id=4299191" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-4299191">ChadT41 said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> It&#039;s true, ATt owns ATT and can set what they feel is free market value. It is also true that their anti competitive attitude may bite them in the ass when they go back for oral arguments and a final decision is made. Until then, whether you agree with ATT or Dish, will not matter. It&#039;s all speculation on the legality of it, and if one side is right or wrong.<br /> <br /> <br /> On that note, ATT still = BAD. </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote>It will be curious to see if the details of this are made public in the DOJ case on the merger that they want to overturn?</div>

 

[long_time_DNC]

<div class="bbWrapper">Well, thus far I&#039;ve not missed HBO/Cinemax that much. With HDNet Movies (who doesn&#039;t leave their channel bug up 75% of the time), TCM, Encore, Starz, Indie/Retroplex, Epix, MGM and Sony Movie Channel, I have a decent selection of movies to watch, and tend to enjoy older movies anyway, so if I&#039;m going to save $25 on my bill/month and I&#039;m enjoying what I have, this can go on as long as it takes and not really bother me. I could add Showtime back if I want, but for now I&#039;m fine. Plus with Netflix and Prime, I enjoy the series&#039; I like (no commercials) and movies there too. So AT&amp;T can go belly-up for all I care. I&#039;m like some others here, I&#039;ve had HBO for close to 20 years, but if AT&amp;T is going to get all arm-twisty, they can just go take a flying leap.<br /> <br /> I remember the bumper sticker a prof had on his office door when I was in college in the early 80s. It said &quot;We&#039;re the Bell System. We don&#039;t care. We don&#039;t have to.&quot; I believe AT&amp;T has the same attitude and I honestly hope the same thing happens to them...</div>

 

[HipKat]

<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 4595" data-quote="long_time_DNC" data-source="post: 4299205" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/xen/goto/post?id=4299205" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-4299205">long_time_DNC said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> Location:<br /> <a href="https://www.satelliteguys.us/xen/misc/location-info?location=Pacific+Northwest%2C+where+it+rains+a+lot..." target="_blank" class="link link--internal" rel="noopener">Pacific Northwest, where it rains a lot...</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote><br /> Ever been to Columbus, OH??? Good GOD it rains a lot here</div>

 

[CyberSpock]

<div class="bbWrapper">Well if they want to go up to 25 a month, no wonder they want them to pay for minimum viewership levels. They know how many people would dump it so they want Dish to pay out of their own pocket anyway.<br /> <br /> Sent from my SM-G965U1 using Tapatalk</div>