Zohan did itHave no idea can't chk, Burning off stuff to DVD to send to my daughter for X-mas. BTW underline didn't seem to work.
You people need to stop. If someone from Dish reads this they'll think their picture is good enough. Far from it if you ask me, considering I still see differences between OTA and Dish on my locals.
That is interesting as my signal strength for Cinemax (129 tp27) is 55. Wouldn't the impact on quality due to FEC be consistent across channels with a similar signal strength? My SpikeHD (129 tp26) has a signal strength of 55 as well, yet the quality of the image is quite different. I would expect that the digital OTA signals also include some type of forward error correction.
One thing I am happy about lately is the movie channels seem to be running at higher bitrates than the normal HD channels. Look nearly on par with my OTA locals.
Jeff, you keep churning out all this info but we have never seen real world examples. How about some screen caps of some programs at various signal strengths, Dish or OTA.
That's because it is not signal strength dependent. Don't read too much into his post, must of us ignore it.![]()
Aren't you guys discussing the real world examples? Haven't you seen the pictures posted by others?
I'm just happy that after 3 years there is actually discussion about picture quality! No one would even admit that digital picture could vary 3 years ago. Having seen and corrected the deficiencies in PQ, I've spent these last three years researching the subject and have found that the science does accurately explain the visual deficiencies that can be witnessed on screen.
Now that we're moving past the denial phase, we can get on to the answers.
Here's some pictures from the government group studying the same problems.
Video Quality Research Home Page
In the "old days" signal surplus, the greater amount of signal produced a higher quality signal (higher SNR - lower BER) that rarely allowed us to see any picture irregularities. (i.e. a 311 with signal in the 100's) The fundamental relationship of signal power to noise power was well in favor of high quality.
BINGO! We have a winnerThe link you provided is strictly images or various compression artifacts and has nothing to do with them being caused by signal strength....just overcompression.
Oh Jesus H.....STOP!
You keep spewing the same thing over and over thinking the sh*t will stick to the wall. When you have no clue what you're talking about...The reason for higher signal is rain fade. Why is it folks who live within a spot beam have a signal of 55-60 and folks on the edge have a 35 signal yet they get the same picture? Why do you think Dish "neutered" the meter? To keep techs from slapping up a dish, getting a 100+ signal without trying and saying "yep looks good".
The one day for fun I took a DBS dish and my 811 with the old meter and was working on something. Aimed the dish without trying and boom 100+ on meter. After the software download it was around 48-50 yet the picture looked the same.
Why do you think I installed a 36" dish at 61.5 for a member here? Sure as hell to not have them say "yay! I have a 78 on a few transponders". He wanted it for rain fade issues. He didnt like his signal going out with dark clouds.
I do enough aiming of my C-Band, KU Band and DBS dishes to know what I need to keep a stable signal. The FEC does matter what the MINIMUM signal is. In the FTA world there use to be a channel called "White Springs TV"...it had a FEC of 1/2. Folks in the FTA area were able to keep the picture stable with a 10 quality signal..normally its 30-32.
Last week I watched a football game in uncompressed HD (from the source)...signal quality was low (22-25) yet the picture was stable as could be. Picture looked damn good.
My Shaw Direct system I had a primestar dish set up for HD and got results of +6.0 to +7.2 for HD...+3.0 is minimum. I had a 1.2m dish laying around and set that up and now I have numbers in the +9.0 to +10.6 area. But guess what? PICTURE LOOKS IDENTICAL!!
So lets quit spewing the same thing about "oh your signal needs to be higher"
Everyone's TVs, viewing distance and eyes are different. I want your screen caps from two different signal levels so I can see the difference because I don't believe anything you say. You are the only on on this forum that believes this, so to make us believers you need to show evidence. To date you have shown none.
The link you provided is strictly images or various compression artifacts and has nothing to do with them being caused by signal strength....just overcompression.
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