Lease Program Information (Cat Fight Version):

[hiker]

I think you missed the point. With your example the security deposit is returned at the end of the lease.

A lease like a house lease for Directv equipment would be fine. I'd probably be OK with handing over $399 for an HD DVR initially if I knew I would get it back when the term ended and the equipment was returned.

The point I understand is that if you have only one receiver/DVR THERE IS NO MONTHLY LEASE FEE PAYMENT.

On a HD DVR for $499 you are effectively paying a little over $20/mo, prorated over a two year term, in the form of a lump sum upfront. More than one receiver/DVR and you pay $4.99/mo for each extra one, same as the additional receiver mirroring fee as before 3/1. Again, the lease fee is all upfront and after two years you have totally paid all you will pay for that piece of equipment (1st receiver/DVR) and D* will fix it free if it breaks. The only minor downside I see is that you don't own it and can't sell it for a few bucks, which I've found to be more trouble than it's worth.

If you want to buy a HD DVR, Weaknees is still selling the HR10 to own for $489. But you won't get free installation like you do with the lease plan.

 

[pounce]

The point I understand is that if you have only one receiver/DVR THERE IS NO MONTHLY LEASE FEE PAYMENT.

Actually, no. That was not the point of the lease discussion. We all understand that there is no monthly fee if you have only one unit. We are talking about the lease fees and the upfront lease costs and how the upfront cost plus montly plus commitment plus possible fee when the unit is returned appears to be making existing customers unhappy.

The only minor downside I see is that you don't own it and can't sell it for a few bucks, which I've found to be more trouble than it's worth.

I've had the opposite experience. I've bought and sold used D* HD equipment and by doing so have kept my "advanced" equipment costs over the last 5 years down to about $100 by making good purchases and selling at good prices. I've also never had to commit again to 2 years of service for just changing the IRD on my plan.

 

[herdfan]

I guess that when you lease a car, plunk down a "deposit" amount (that ISN'T returned ever), pay more money during the term of the lease than if you bought it outright day one, and also have no guarantee on what it may be worth at the end of the lease - that's a good deal, huh? Guess what - about 22% of the American public has such leases right now on their cars.

The big difference is that the contract states what I have to pay to own it at the end of the term. It may not be worth that and as such I have the choice to buy it or return it.

What will stop D* from changing the terms and conditions to change the $470 to $1000 half way through a commitment? And I love leasing cars. Haven't "owned" one in years and am perfectly happy with that.

One other difference is that with the car, I have a choice at the point of purchase to buy or lease. Not so with D*, at least not as easy to make that choice.

I understand D*'s need to stop a new customer from getting a 3-4 room deal for free and then dropping 2 receivers and selling them. The solution there is to make the commitment apply to however many receivers the customer got and not to loyal 11-year, $140/mo customers who want to own their equipment.

As for the lease fee, its the same as the mirror fee so I could care less about that. My concern is that one of my HR10-250's dies, I want to be able to drive to BB or CC, get a replacement and be back up within an hour. Don't think I can do that anymore.

 

[mkatts]

Wait a second. I thought there was the $499 upfront, plus a month to month fee for only one HD DVR.

So am I to understand that if I only want one HD DVR, that I can shell out the $499 one time and not have the month to month lease fee? If that's the case, I don't have as much of a gripe about the new lease offer. I don't care about owning either. I don't sell stuff. I would keep the box until it's time to pitch it. I had my first sat reciever for 7 years before I finally upgraded it to the Directivo unit. That was why I was liking the lease idea. I wouldn't have to worry about the box failing or getting fried and having to shell out more money for a new one. I'd still rather pay a smaller monthly fee for the box though than the entire fee upfront.

 

[hiker]

Wait a second. I thought there was the $499 upfront, plus a month to month fee for only one HD DVR. ...

From the Terms & Conditions:

"For a new DIRECTV customer, you will be charged a monthly lease fee in the amount of $4.99 per 2nd and each additional receiver leased by you in your household. For a current customer, you will be charged a monthly fee in the amount of $4.99 for each receiver leased by you in your household, unless you replace all of your owned-equipment with leased equipment, in which case, the monthly lease fee will be waived for the 1st receiver. Applicable taxes will apply. LEASE FEE SUBJECT TO CHANGE AT ANY TIME."

What it is also saying is that if you have a mix of "owned" and "leased" make sure a "owned" receiver/DVR is the primary receiver (1st) to avoid the $4.99/mo charge on it.

 

[Juan]

From the Terms & Conditions:

"For a new DIRECTV customer, you will be charged a monthly lease fee in the amount of $4.99 per 2nd and each additional receiver leased by you in your household. For a current customer, you will be charged a monthly fee in the amount of $4.99 for each receiver leased by you in your household, unless you replace all of your owned-equipment with leased equipment, in which case, the monthly lease fee will be waived for the 1st receiver. Applicable taxes will apply. LEASE FEE SUBJECT TO CHANGE AT ANY TIME."

What it is also saying is that if you have a mix of "owned" and "leased" make sure a "owned" receiver/DVR is the primary receiver (1st) to avoid the $4.99/mo charge on it.

there is also a DVR charge that apply's unless you have the platinum package

 

[vurbano]

The Dragon has my back! V, I didn't say I loved the lease program, I said I didn't give a damn. I like getting great equipment for the best price or no price at all. But I live in the real world. Seems you hate everything D* does so why I ask do you follow the D* boards? Is it to warn everyone about Satan? Wow, thanks for the public service, and don't call me out, it's just stupid.

I follow the boards because Im a D* sub. If you dont give a damn then why are you telling everyone to grow up?

Grow up! Go to cable (snicker) go to E* (snicker, snicker) no one gives a damn.

Stop calling everyone out, its just stupid.

 

[dragon002]

vurbano,

going to ask once, how much would it cost you to get out of your directv contract. whatever it is i bet we could have the donations TO YOUR DOOR by the end of the month.

are you game.?

you claim you are a hostage, here is your chance to get rid of that evil , vile, garbage directv and the contract that is your cross you are bearing.

if you take me up on this, one stipulation, you close the pie-hole, go over to the dish posts and annoy them.

.....WELL?????.....WE ARE WAITING!!!

 

[vurbano]

vurbano,

going to ask once, how much would it cost you to get out of your directv contract. whatever it is i bet we could have the donations TO YOUR DOOR by the end of the month.

are you game.?

you claim you are a hostage, here is your chance to get rid of that evil , vile, garbage directv and the contract that is your cross you are bearing.

if you take me up on this, one stipulation, you close the pie-hole, go over to the dish posts and annoy them.

.....WELL?????.....WE ARE WAITING!!!

Paypal me 2 grand. Im waiting...

 

[FlyingJ]

I follow the boards because Im a D* sub. If you dont give a damn then why are you telling everyone to grow up?

I am not telling everyone...just you.
So you have two grand invested in you current contract.LOL...Two grand in something you have been raising hell about for all of this time. Geez if you liked D* you might have $20,000 in it by now. What is it that keeps you a D* sub anyway?

 

[Neutron]

We're looking at getting a new house soon, and because of this new lease program we may end up going to cable. At least there are no up front fees to start the lease with cable.

 

[newsposter]

I understand D*'s need to stop a new customer from getting a 3-4 room deal for free and then dropping 2 receivers and selling them. .

How much is a non tivo receiver anyway? I can't imagine it would bring more than 30 bucks 'used.' Isn't the new fee only 99?

 

[vurbano]

FlingyJ

1. For a senior member you really should have mastered the quote function by now.

2. Get your story straight.

Guys, listen....drop it, dump it, get rid of it, stop paying for it. I don't care and the funny part is D* doesn't care either. They are using a business model that they think will work for them. This is hilarious. You guys continue to think you are so much smarter than the decision makers at D* and yet they are pulling down high six figure salaries and you guys are crying and complaining. Grow up! Go to cable (snicker) go to E* (snicker, snicker) no one gives a damn. Or better yet, don't tell anyone that you don't really own the equipment. Just repeat to yourselves every day, It's mine....It's mine and maybe you will feel better because once again it doesn't matteer if you own it or not. You act as if the equipment is an investment, it is not.

You are calling everyone out that has complained in this thread

And FYI Ad Hominem attacks are generally the last line of an arguement used by those that have lost so much ground in a debate that they simply have nothing of any value left to say. I.e., You in this case.

 

[FlyingJ]

Vurbano, ummm...why do you continue to pay for something that you hate so much?

 

[Satmeister]

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vurbano,

going to ask once, how much would it cost you to get out of your directv contract. whatever it is i bet we could have the donations TO YOUR DOOR by the end of the month.

are you game.?

you claim you are a hostage, here is your chance to get rid of that evil , vile, garbage directv and the contract that is your cross you are bearing.

f you take me up on this, one stipulation, you close the pie-hole, go over to the dish posts and annoy them.

.....WELL?????.....WE ARE WAITING!!!

:clap

Paypal me 2 grand. Im waiting...

Who knows..it might just be worth it...

 

[vurbano]

Vurbano, ummm...why do you continue to pay for something that you hate so much?

I stated months ago I would wait to see what they did with the first new national HD sat. If they improve PQ I will stay. If not I wont. It was pretty simple until this bologna lease policy. I definately will not participate in that with the current state of PQ. It will be a cold day in Hell when I pay 500 bucks for the right to pay a monthly lease fee so I can pay a fee to watch substandard HD. So I will fulfill my contract and then consider Dish or FIOS if available. I am also giving time for the hackers to get ahold of the VIP 622 and the FIOS box for video extraction.

 

[FlyingJ]

OK that is fair...I am not sure what fios is....are they in Ohio, or have any plans to be in Ohio or Columbus in the future??

 

[vurbano]

OK that is fair...I am not sure what fios is....are they in Ohio, or have any plans to be in Ohio or Columbus in the future??

Verizon FIOS, fiber optic cable to your home, 15, 30mbps internet, uncompressed full resolution video, every channel in existence eventually, no neighborhood bandwidth limitation like cable.
http://www.satelliteguys.us/showthread.php?t=59212

 

[Brewer4]

<p> :clap

Who knows..it might just be worth it...

Thats some pretty funny posts. I would contribute. I have been watching Vurbano bitch for years. I would give him a few bucks to "sit down and shut up". :devil:

 

[Paul Wozniak]

This has to been the pissing contest in history.