Mad Scientist Hooks up 5 Satellite Locations!!!!

[alebowgm]

Well, now I am just testing to see what we can do.

I was going to go and add some FSS Dishes, but I changed my mind today at the last minute because of the size of the dish and where I was going to put the dish.

It is a 2700 BTW

 

[larrystotler]

Ok, I've tried to explain this before, but the SW64(or SW44) will not work with the 500Twin, UNLESS you put it into the same numbered input, sat 1a&1b. And even then, it may not wotk. I have never tried to do it that way. You MUST have 2 feeds to each LNB because the SW64 line locks the voltages to get either the even or odd transponders. Now, I would say that the reason it sent down both the even and odd trans when all you did was hook the 61.5 to it is because you were only using 1 location, so the SW64 was just kinda passed through and not used. I'm willing to bet that if you replace your Twin with 2 duals, and hook at least 1 more sat up, it will only show the one set. I realize that I had said I was going to try to do some more testing, and I apologize. I just haven't had time. My main concern is that the switch logic for the legacy system will not support more than 4 sats. I have a plan I will try when I get the time. What you could try is to put the SW21 with the Twin and the SW64(make sure you are using both lines from the 61.5), and try swapping them back and forth. I'm willing to bet that the switch on the #2 sat port will not be seen, and it will only pass through what is either hookup up on sat 1, or the only sat that is hooked into it. Mike encountered a cimilar problem with the DP setup. If having 5 sats is a nedd, then you may need a DP+44 and a DP receiver to do it.

 

[alebowgm]

Will a DP adapter work with Legacy equipment, as long as there is a Dishpro -> Legacy Adapter?

 

[SimpleSimon]

Will a DP adapter work with Legacy equipment, as long as there is a Dishpro -> Legacy Adapter?

How about we NOT crowd this info thread with generic questions.
Your thread here where you ask the same thing should be sufficient to get you your answers - as soon as you clarify the question.

 

[alebowgm]

The reason I asked that question (and havent looked at the DBS yet), is that maybe that would be a way to get the 5 Sat Location on a Legacy...

Its a new thought...

 

[SimpleSimon]

No, actually, I think it's already been dealt with here. AFAIK, Legacy receivers do not have the capability of dealing with more than 4 satellite slots, so the hookup isn't going to matter.

 

[SimpleSimon]

Here's another cool setup:

I tried a new configuration of switches today. An SW64 connectedt to 110 119 and 61.5, cascaded with two SW21's connected to the SW64 and 148. The SW64 was powered through a different input. After changing the mode to super dish and running a switch check it found all four sats and I can receive CBS HD fropm both coasts. John

Ref: Another wing configuration

 

[hollownail]

Actually, you can get all 6 sats with a dp44.
Get 2 dp21's for in ports 3/4. both 61.5 and 148 go on the dp21 for port 3 and port 4 of course has 105/121.
Currently only works on a few receivers, I believe just the 301/311/522/322/811/721. I could be wrong about the 721 though.
Might work on the 921.
Course, you could use to feed 4 522's with the seperators.
Too bad the seperators won't work for other models than the 522/322.

 

[SimpleSimon]

Welcome aboard hollownail!

That setup just doesn't sound right at all - how can the input to the switch be in itself switched?

What if tuner #1 wants to see 105 and tuner #2 wants 121?

 

[hollownail]

the dp44 can be cascaded w/ dp21's unlike the dp34.
Not sure exactly how it works (i didn't design them)
but yeah, they work that way.
As far as tuner 1 and 2 deciding between the 121/105, are you refering to after the seperator?

 

[SimpleSimon]

No. Both the DP34 and DPP44 can have a DP21 on the 'downwind' side like:

DP34 --- DP21 --- receiver
LNBF -----'

But this just has no way of working correctly:
DP21 --- DP34 ==== 2 or more receivers

If the DP21 has, say, 105 & 121 on it, only ONE of those LNBFs can be 'active' at any given time. So if tuner #1 wants 105, tuner #2 can NOT have 121.

A separator is not relevant - same problem exists with or without it.

I'm sorry, I just do not see ANY way it can work.

 

[hollownail]

it will only work w/ the dp44.
?Yes, it can actually get both the 121 and 105. It does work. Though, not much reason to have all 6 sats in the first place. But it can be done and it does work.

 

[SimpleSimon]

No difference in my prior statement - it doesn't matter whether it's a DP34 or a DPP44.

Your statement goes counter to everything I know about DishPro technology.

Fact #1: A single RG-6 cable can carry two bands of signal.
Fact #2: A band consists of either the odd or even transponders of a single satellite.
Fact #3: A DP21 has 2 inputs, each consisting of 2 bands.
Fact #4: A DP21 has 1 output consisting of 2 bands.
Fact #5: The DP21 will NOT 'split' it's input bands - it's either one or the other LNBF.

Therefore, if a receiver is requesting the LNBF attached to the 'A' side of the DP21, the 'B' LNBF can NOT be accessed.

So, if the receiver on Output Port 'x' of the switch is requesting the 'A' LNBF, then a receiver on Port 'y' of the switch can NOT access the 'B' LNBF.

Period.

Now, if you only have one tuner hooked up to the switch, you might have found something - but it could ONLY work with one receiver for the reasons I specified above.

Others please chime in here.

 

[mike123abc]

I did try putting a DP21 switch on the INPUT of a DPP44. The DPP44 would not recognise the satellite input where the DP21 was, neither would the receiver. Putting a DP21 on the INPUT of the DPP44 does not work. The DPP44 has to be on one of the inputs of the DP21 for the receiver to see it, thereby allowing 5 satellites to be seen.

Maybe in the future Dish could add code for this to work, but it does not work on the 921, 811 or 301 at this time.

 

[hollownail]

Testing it again, got the 721 to work getting 121 and 105 seperatly.
Again, the 121/105 goes to the dp21, which goes to the port 4 on teh dp44.
Doesn't really make much sense on how it's working, but yeah, it did.
I might try some further testing with the 311 and 811 on it, to see if they can both reach different transponders from the 121/105.
May just be the max of two passable transponders, which is possible, but I'll give it a try.
I believe the dp21 can only be on port 3 and 4.

 

[SimpleSimon]

Maybe we can talk Mike into trying it on Input Port 3 & 4 - but I STILL contend that it will NOT work with more than one receiver. It would be interesting to see what happened if you hooked up 2 receivers, tuned one to a 105 channel, then the other to a 121 channel - one of them loses out for sure!

 

[larrystotler]

Too bad the seperators won't work for other models than the 522/322.

The DP Seperators work on the 921 & 721 as well.

 

[larrystotler]

Maybe we can talk Mike into trying it on Input Port 3 & 4 - but I STILL contend that it will NOT work with more than one receiver. It would be interesting to see what happened if you hooked up 2 receivers, tuned one to a 105 channel, then the other to a 121 channel - one of them loses out for sure!

Actually, he should be able to do this already with his 721 since it has 2 tuners. Set 1 tuner to the 105 and the other ot the 121 w/ the PiP mode.

 

[ajohnson]

Hollownail, you've said dp44 several times while the others have said dpp44.

There's a difference. Which do you have?

 

[SimpleSimon]

I meant tuners above where I've said receivers.

here is NO such thing as a DP44. There is a DP34 and a DPP44.

I am just having a HUGE time swallowing hollownail's story. Its gotta be confirmed by an independent source - with shall we say, at least a triple-digit post count.