NCAA Football 2009-10 PreSeason

[SabresRule]

After this year when he wins his 3rd national title in what 4 years

I wouldn't jump to conclusions yet.

Tebow first has to try and do something he failed to do already- beat LSU at Tiger Stadium.

 

[anders5189]

I wouldn't jump to conclusions yet.

Tebow first has to try and do something he failed to do already- beat LSU at Tiger Stadium.

That shouldn't be a stretch for him to do. LSU won on a last minute TD in Death Valley 2 years ago, and they're not nearly as good now as they were back then.

BTW who's bandwagon are you jumping on this year Sabres? Last year you told us how good Texas Tech would be. Did Houston Nutt make a believer out of you at the Cotton Bowl?

 

[Jimbo]

After this year when he wins his 3rd national title in what 4 years, Im sure everyone will be calling.

Tebow goes down, it all goes out the window.

 

[david1314]

That shouldn't be a stretch for him to do. LSU won on a last minute TD in Death Valley 2 years ago, and they're not nearly as good now as they were back then.

BTW who's bandwagon are you jumping on this year Sabres? Last year you told us how good Texas Tech would be. Did Houston Nutt make a believer out of you at the Cotton Bowl?

No disrespect to sabres but that was my favorite moment of the CFB season.


Watching a couple of clowns like Mike Leach and Graham Harrell be thoroughly exposed.

There's a reason Harrell wasn't drafted.

Leach while getting credit for turning around the Red Raiders doesn't get other jobs. After he(Leach) interviews AD's and University Presidents can't run from the room fast enough. Leach is a ringmaster of a circus that has surprised other teams with their style. I was actually hoping that Auburn would hire Leach, would remind one of the Hal Mumme days at Kentucky.

Mumme was certifiable ,Leach isn't far from that.

 

[HD MM]

Is it kick off time yet?

Looks like UF has secured Urban Myer for at least 6 years..

Why is it that all great football minds come from Ohio???.......

Urban Meyer
Jim Tressel
Bob Stoops
Les Miles
Woody Hayes
Bo Schembechler
Don Shula
Chuck Noll..... All from Ohio.

Nick Saban and Pete Carrol also have Ohio ties. Both began their coaching careers in Ohio.

Oh, and what about the greatest inovator and coach in NFL History by the name of Paul Brown? Guess what, he was from Ohio too.

For more on this topic, read this interesting article by the WSJ....

Why Ohio Makes the Best Coaches - WSJ.com

 

[Derwin0]

Tebow goes down, it all goes out the window.

True, but you can say something like that for almost every team.

 

[Derwin0]

PI know schedules are made far in advance but if it were me I would love to see a stipulation for all teams residing in BCS conferences.

Would be as follows: All BCS Conference teams would be required to schedule a minimum of 8 Conference Games along with 2 Non Conference Games that could only be played against teams from other BCS Conferences. The other two games could be of the schools choosing.

...

As an added bonus the Big Least would be exposed to an even further degree than they already are.

I don't agree with limiting half the OOC games to BCS Conferences. There are some good non-BCS teams (ask Oklahoma & Alabama about Utah), and there are some bad BCS teams (Vanderbilt, Duke, Big East, etc...).

I would require BCS conferences to have 12 teams with a Championship Game, and require 8 Conference Games, and limit the 4 OOC games to only including a max of 1 1AA game.

 

[Will94]

Leach's teams are beatable. Most people scheme them wrong. I know that when we play them, we always rush three and drop back eight into coverage. They will pick you apart when you do that. You have to play their guys man to man, rush everyone else, and pressure the QB.

Leach brings a lot of other issues to the table. He has a reputation for closing down bars in Lubbock. He also has a mouth bigger than Steve Spurrier.

 

[hancox]

I don't agree with limiting half the OOC games to BCS Conferences. There are some good non-BCS teams (ask Oklahoma & Alabama about Utah), and there are some bad BCS teams (Vanderbilt, Duke, Big East, etc...).

I would require BCS conferences to have 12 teams with a Championship Game, and require 8 Conference Games, and limit the 4 OOC games to only including a max of 1 1AA game.

A shocker - you want every conference to have a blatant money grab (champ game), and not play everyone during the year.

Why not just mandate all home OOC games, too? That would make it just like the SEC.

 

[Derwin0]

A shocker - you want every conference to have a blatant money grab (champ game), and not play everyone during the year.

Why not just mandate all home OOC games, too? That would make it just like the SEC.

Alabama opens against Va. Tech in Atlanta this year.
Kentucky goes to Louisville every other year.
Georgia goes to Ga Tech every other year.
Florida goes to Fla. St. every other year.
South Carolina goes to Clemson every other year.
Georgia opens at Oklahoma St. this year.
Tennessee opened at UCLA last year.
Auburn plays at West Virginia last year.
etc...

The reason I want a conference game, is that it's one more step to a play-off. Plus it has the result of taking out a pretender that has to luxury of not playing everyone in it's conference (ie. Big 10).

 

[hancox]

For those rampant Big East bashers (Derwin0, david1314), take a look at this:

Simple facts based on on-field results. Not some overpaid TV hack's / SEC fanboi's opinion.

BCS Ranks the Conferences

2008- 3rd, Ahead of the PAC 10, Big 10, the SEC and the MWC
2007- 4th, Ahead of the Big 12, Big 10 and the MWC
2006- 3rd, Ahead of the Big 10/11, ACC, Big 12 and the MWC
2005- 6th, Ahead of the MWC
From- CollegeBCS.com - Bowl Championship Series Ratings and Analysis

Sagarin Ranks the Conferences

2008- 5th, Ahead of the Big 10/11 and the MWC
2007- 4th, Ahead of the ACC, Big 10/11 and the MWC
2006- 2nd, Ahead of the PAC-10, ACC, Big 10, Big 12 and the MWC
2005- 6th, Among Conferences ahead of the MWC
From- News, Travel, Weather, Entertainment, Sports, Technology, U.S. & World - USATODAY.com

 

[hancox]

Kentucky goes to Louisville every other year.
Georgia goes to Ga Tech every other year.
Florida goes to Fla. St. every other year.
Georgia opens at Oklahoma St. this year.
Tennessee opened at UCLA last year.
etc...

The reason I want a conference game, is that it's one more step to a play-off. Plus it has the result of taking out a pretender that has to luxury of not playing everyone in it's conference (ie. Big 10).

OK - replace my statement above with "in state" instead of "home". AKA The "Syracuse basketball scheduling system (c) "

Champ games are money grabs, plain and simple. If you want to make them pseudo-playoffs, eliminate the divisions, as they don't determine a truly "best" matchup.

 

[Derwin0]

OK - replace my statement above with "in state" instead of "home". AKA The "Syracuse basketball scheduling system (c) "

I didn't list all the games from this year and last. And all of them weren't in state.

I noticed that in 7 of the 8 rankings you listed, the SEC was still ahead of the Big East. And I have to question the 1 that has the Big East over the SEC, as last year was a great year for the SEC, and not exactly one of the Big East's stellar performances.

 

[hancox]

I know, but my general point is that there is too much "home cookin" with OOC schedules in the SEC.

Keep in mind, you're talking to a UConn fan here. Our OOC:

@Ohio
UNC
@Baylor
URI
@ Notre Dame

 

[Ronnie-]

I know, but my general point is that there is too much "home cookin" with OOC schedules in the SEC.

Keep in mind, you're talking to a UConn fan here. Our OOC:

@Ohio
UNC
@Baylor
URI
@ Notre Dame

They do schedule far away teams as well, but people prefer the big regional matchups. Alot of rivalry games that are OOC. Better money, easier for fans to get to, ect.

Speaking just for Bama, but we had Clemson last year, Va Tech this year, a home and home with Penn State starting next year, a home and home with Mich State a couple of years down the road.
I mean, there are only so many you can schedule.

Add to that the fact that the in conference schedule for the SEC is generally tough in and of itself.

 

[mccoyrj]

I didn't list all the games from this year and last. And all of them weren't in state.

I noticed that in 7 of the 8 rankings you listed, the SEC was still ahead of the Big East. And I have to question the 1 that has the Big East over the SEC, as last year was a great year for the SEC, and not exactly one of the Big East's stellar performances.

LSU opens against Washington in Seattle Sept. 5.

 

[The Insider]

Well for FLA we just have to play FLA St, they are (were) our biggest rival.. Also Miami is another big rival. LAst year (I think or the year before) We played UCF. Also For GA playing GATECH is a must.

But this year FLA has a crap schedule, there OOC is weak. If they dont go undefeated they have no leg to stand on for a championship this year.

 

[david1314]

For those rampant Big East bashers (Derwin0, david1314), take a look at this:

Simple facts based on on-field results. Not some overpaid TV hack's / SEC fanboi's opinion.

BCS Ranks the Conferences

2008- 3rd, Ahead of the PAC 10, Big 10, the SEC and the MWC
2007- 4th, Ahead of the Big 12, Big 10 and the MWC
2006- 3rd, Ahead of the Big 10/11, ACC, Big 12 and the MWC
2005- 6th, Ahead of the MWC
From- CollegeBCS.com - Bowl Championship Series Ratings and Analysis

Sagarin Ranks the Conferences

2008- 5th, Ahead of the Big 10/11 and the MWC
2007- 4th, Ahead of the ACC, Big 10/11 and the MWC
2006- 2nd, Ahead of the PAC-10, ACC, Big 10, Big 12 and the MWC
2005- 6th, Among Conferences ahead of the MWC
From- News, Travel, Weather, Entertainment, Sports, Technology, U.S. & World - USATODAY.com

Any input of numbers that yields anything other than the Big Least being the 6th best BCS Conference has faulty numbers in the formula IMO.


Look hancock, I'm not saying the SEC is hands down the best Conference yearly. They are usually in the top 2 by most any team or talent evaluation. Not always the unquestioned best.

Plenty of other Conferences play top notch football.

It's just that the Big East since the departure of the marquis schools for the ACC is not one of them. They get credit in Sagarin's formula for winning Games In Conference. An absolute sham because beating the Rutgers and their ilk of the world should not be credited for anything other than beating a thoroughly mediocre program with the East Coast media cheerleading them breathlessly.



Repeat once again plenty of top notch teams in non SEC conferences. Big East just doesn't have any IMO.

Go over to SI.com and go into their CFB section and read Stewart Mandel's archives. He's no SEC homer at all I believe he's a Michigan man and see his thoughts on BCS Conferences. He rated them all before the start of the 2008 season with a 5 year historical look.

Don't remeber the exact order, I'll see if I can find it and post a link but what I do remember

1.SEC
2
3
4
5
6.Big East

Of course you are entitled to ignore Mandel just like I discout anything Sagarin does.

I wish their was more intersectional matchups Big East vs SEC, Big East vs Big 10 and others.

I do agree with the point that you've been making about the weak OOC schedules that a lot of the BCS schools play including the SEC teams in particular.

 

[hancox]

Any input of numbers that yields anything other than the Big Least being the 6th best BCS Conference has faulty numbers in the formula IMO.


Look hancock, I'm not saying the SEC is hands down the best Conference yearly. They are usually in the top 2 by most any team or talent evaluation. Not always the unquestioned best.

Plenty of other Conferences play top notch football.

It's just that the Big East since the departure of the marquis schools for the ACC is not one of them. They get credit in Sagarin's formula for winning Games In Conference. An absolute sham because beating the Rutgers and their ilk of the world should not be credited for anything other than beating a thoroughly mediocre program with the East Coast media cheerleading them breathlessly.



Repeat once again plenty of top notch teams in non SEC conferences. Big East just doesn't have any IMO.

Go over to SI.com and go into their CFB section and read Stewart Mandel's archives. He's no SEC homer at all I believe he's a Michigan man and see his thoughts on BCS Conferences. He rated them all before the start of the 2008 season with a 5 year historical look.

Don't remeber the exact order, I'll see if I can find it and post a link but what I do remember

1.SEC
2
3
4
5
6.Big East

Of course you are entitled to ignore Mandel just like I discout anything Sagarin does.

I wish their was more intersectional matchups Big East vs SEC, Big East vs Big 10 and others.

I do agree with the point that you've been making about the weak OOC schedules that a lot of the BCS schools play including the SEC teams in particular.

The part in bold is important, because it proves you're misreading any of these computer numbers.

Yes, teams get credit for who they beat, but only in the context of everything else.

To the computers (and non-fanboys, to an extent), beating Rutgers means you beat a team, that beat x,y and z, and lost to a and b, for example.

To fanboys, conference blowhards, etc, beating Rutgers is:

"beating a thoroughly mediocre program with the East Coast media cheerleading them breathlessly."

It never matters who beats who, or where, or when. Rutgers could be 11-0 with a #1 ranked SOS, and it wouldn't matter. "They're Rutgers".

FWIW - the ACC has been below the Big East since the backstabbers left. I don't think you can really determine otherwise.

 

[SabresRule]

beating the Rutgers and their ilk of the world should not be credited for anything other than beating a thoroughly mediocre program with the East Coast media cheerleading them breathlessly.

And yet beating the likes of Duke, NC State, and Virginia deserves SOOOO much credit.