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YoungClayB

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I got Dish installed yesterday and the installer told me that the component HD output of the VIP722 would stop working in a few months and that in order to continue to get HD, I had to use the HDMI out. This sounds like BS to me, but I wanted to see if anyone else had heard anything similar.
 
That is somewhat correct. Video Providers will be turning on HDCP (High Def Copy Protection) sometime in 2008. THis means that on protected content, you will only be able to get HD quality over the HDMI outputs. Component video will outputs will still work, but will be downrezed to Standard Def for protected content. For a more detailed description, read this thread http://www.satelliteguys.us/dish-network-forum/116688-more-dish-hdcp.html
 
Thanks for the link. Thats unfortunate.

What ticks me off is that the installer told me that dish does not provide HDMI cables with their installs which seems silly considering whats on the horizon.

Oh well. I have an Onkyo 605, so I guess I'll try running HDMI from the 722 to the AVR and then component from the AVR to the TV.
 
http://www.satelliteguys.us/dish-hd-discussions/115664-bad-news-regarding-dish-drm.html

Your component output won't be disabled, but it's possible that for some flagged content, it will be restricted (downrezzed) to 480p rather than the full 720p or 1080i. This will probably be done inside the box, so the output signal is still what you set in the menu, they'll just throw away half the pixels (or more) in each frame by resampling.

Edit: Geez I'm slow - when I started typing this there were no responses.
 
YoungClayB said:
Thanks for the link. Thats unfortunate.

What ticks me off is that the installer told me that dish does not provide HDMI cables with their installs which seems silly considering whats on the horizon.

Oh well. I have an Onkyo 605, so I guess I'll try running HDMI from the 722 to the AVR and then component from the AVR to the TV.
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Don't be mad at your installer about this. Credit him for telling you up-front.

As far as the HDMI cables, can't use them if we don't have them. And that goes straight back to corporate.

Besides, you better off going out and buying a "good" HDMI cable. The ones Dish provides us, WHEN it does provide them, are only "okay".
 
pdxsam said:
As long as your Onkyo is HDCP compliant that should work just fine.
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Er- are you sure? If it's HDCP compliant, wouldn't it get the same signal and downrez the component out? If not, there's a hole large enough to drive a semi thru in the whole HDCP setup.
 
navychop said:
Er- are you sure? If it's HDCP compliant, wouldn't it get the same signal and downrez the component out? If not, there's a hole large enough to drive a semi thru in the whole HDCP setup.
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I think he was assuming that the OP should use one of the Onkyo 605's HDMI inputs (which are HDCP compliant)... However, the Onkyo will not downconvert an HDMI input source to component out to his TV. Bottom line, if the TV doesn't have HDMI in, he'll be out of luck for viewing flagged HD programming in full resolution when/if the time comes.
 
Copy Protection on HBO

I have noticed copy protection on HBO HD for quite some time now. I used to have a Panasonic DVD recorder that I used all the time to record from HBO HD (it was downrezzed of course, but looked very good). When I started having problems with it I purchased a Sony DVD recorder. As soon as I tried to record something from HBO HD I got a message on the screen that said that it could not record copy protected material. I figgured that sucked so I took the recorder back to the store and got my money back.
 
Did Dish fix the audio dropouts on the 622s using hdmi? One of my 622s was having audio dropouts. Switched over to component. Didn't want to deal with getting a replacement at that time.
 
Last word on this that I recall was that it was going to be on PPVs only (initially). Then you could expect the premium channels after that (Showtime, HBO, etc). So long as it doesn't trickle down to Discovery channels, locals, ESPN, etc, etc, most people won't be affected nor care.
 
Vip222

That REALLY sucks for those who have a vip222. I would love to use the HDMI port, but it locks up about every 5 seconds, then have to reboot, 5 seconds, reboot. I'm on my third 222 that does the same thing to one extent or another .
 
farmsatguy said:
Will this affect DVI? I have an HDMI to DVI cable as my RCA TV only has DVI? Since this is still a digital connection, will DVI useers bee OK?
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Some DVI is HDCP-compliant but depending on how old your TV is, it's possible that it is not. My Sony XBR CRT has DVI but it's specifically labeled as HDCP so I'm assuming I would be OK. But some of the first TVs that had DVI ports did so thinking you were going to hook up your TV to a computer so they wouldn't have bothered to put HDCP into it. Check the port on the TV and/or look in the manual to see if it says that it is.

One thing that's lost in this is that for some people with some TVs, component just looks better. In my case using HDMI-DVI from my 622 results in a harsher picture - the component is much more natural looking. If we ever get to a point where component output is downrezzed, I'll be really pissed. I know there isn't anything Dish can do about it, but I'll be sure to let them (and anyone else who will listen) how I feel.
 
BigFella said:
I think he was assuming that the OP should use one of the Onkyo 605's HDMI inputs (which are HDCP compliant)... However, the Onkyo will not downconvert an HDMI input source to component out to his TV. Bottom line, if the TV doesn't have HDMI in, he'll be out of luck for viewing flagged HD programming in full resolution when/if the time comes.
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I don't follow. First you say the Onkyo will not downconvert HDMI when outputting to component. Then you say if the TV does not have HDMI, he's out of luck, implying that the Onkyo WILL downconvert.

I believe that if the Onkyo is HDCP compliant, and I'm sure it is, it WILL downconvert a digital signal when converted to analog. That's the whole purpose of HDCP, and to do otherwise would be to violate the DMCA.

I have an Onkyo 805.
 
navychop said:
I don't follow. First you say the Onkyo will not downconvert HDMI when outputting to component. Then you say if the TV does not have HDMI, he's out of luck, implying that the Onkyo WILL downconvert.

I believe that if the Onkyo is HDCP compliant, and I'm sure it is, it WILL downconvert a digital signal when converted to analog. That's the whole purpose of HDCP, and to do otherwise would be to violate the DMCA.

I have an Onkyo 805.
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HDCP compliance and resolution aside, the Onkyo will upconvert component in's to HDMI out, but it won't go the other way - downconvert HDMI in's to component out. Therefore, if his TV only has component inputs, he won't be able to access the Dish signal that is going into the Onkyo via HDMI, because the Onkyo will not pass it through its component output.
 
BigFella said:
HDCP compliance and resolution aside, the Onkyo will upconvert component in's to HDMI out, but it won't go the other way - downconvert HDMI in's to component out. Therefore, if his TV only has component inputs, he won't be able to access the Dish signal that is going into the Onkyo via HDMI, because the Onkyo will not pass it through its component output.
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Pisser :(
 
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