Super Joey info needed

[lucky86]

I'm certain that the limit is 4 per Hopper.

 

[AlaJoe]

I will be coming back to dish when the super joey comes to be. The set up I will want will be 1 hopper, 1 super Joey, and 1 Joey. If there is complete DVR integration does that then mean that functionality will be they same in all 3 locations. So if I just want a smaller footprint box in the living room I can put the Joey there and give up nothing?

 

[Scherrman]

I will be coming back to dish when the super joey comes to be. The set up I will want will be 1 hopper, 1 super Joey, and 1 Joey. If there is complete DVR integration does that then mean that functionality will be they same in all 3 locations. So if I just want a smaller footprint box in the living room I can put the Joey there and give up nothing?

You would have full integration on all TVs. You can put the Joey in the living room but you would lose some features that only the Hopper can offer, like PIP.

 

[3HaloODST]

The Super Joey also has a slightly smaller profile compared to the Hopper. No word on whether or not it has PiP but I would assume yes. I just can't see why they'd leave that out, especially since they claim it has very similar hardware to the HwS.

 

[navychop]

And it has a fan. The regular Joey does not.

 

[rglore]

I'm hoping the new Joey and Super Joey will do PIP, maybe with a menu option to enable it since it would use twice the MoCA bandwidth. I use swap constantly and PIP a lot too.

 

[3HaloODST]

On good setups the MoCA has about 300Mbps of half-duplex bandwidth available. With only 6-8Mbps max on HD streams, I see no need to worry about MoCA bandwidth. Perhaps if you watch a lot of OTA HD over MoCA (up to 19Mbps per feed.) Even then you've got some pretty good leeway. I have a HIC in reverse and it pulls in about 64Mbps thru a bridged Hopper. MoCA handles it no sweat. The real limitation in that instance are the 100Mbps Ethernet ports on the Hopper/HIC plus maybe my NAS isn't fast enough to pull in the full 100Mbps.

 

[rglore]

Vivek said in the video that systems are limited to one Super Joey because of limited MoCa bandwidth. Looks like Dish's implementation only has 8 video stream channels. They could add a second MoCA band below the current band for more bandwidth.

 

[3HaloODST]

That makes more sense. I forgot about the 8-stream limit. So basically the SJ can/will use 2-3 streams (4 if it has PiP.) So in theory, I think you could have one SJ and up to four other receivers.

 

[rglore]

That makes more sense. I forgot about the 8-stream limit. So basically the SJ can/will use 2-3 streams (4 if it has PiP.) So in theory, I think you could have one SJ and up to four other receivers.

You could have a Hopper, Super Joey, four Joeys plus wireless and Ethernet Joeys in one system.

 

[htrmommy]

I'm hoping the new Joey and Super Joey will do PIP, maybe with a menu option to enable it since it would use twice the MoCA bandwidth. I use swap constantly and PIP a lot too.

Just to clarify, "the new joey" - is that the virtual joey your referring to?

 

[Scherrman]

You could have a Hopper, Super Joey, four Joeys plus wireless and Ethernet Joeys in one system.

You won't be able to do that, too many Joeys.
Edit: I should wait until I actually see the business rules but I'm betting that will be too many Joeys.

 

[Scherrman]

Just to clarify, "the new joey" - is that the virtual joey your referring to?

There will be a new version of the regular Joey. Basically the same thing as it is now but faster.

 

[rglore]

Just to clarify, "the new joey" - is that the virtual joey your referring to?

No but you can have them too, only limit is how many streams the Hopper with Super Joey can process simultaneously. Sure would be nice to know.

 

[farmerdave4]

The one stumbling block for me upgrading my VIP622 to Hopper was lack of OTA support and they finally did that last year but didn't notice much fan fare about it. I never understood if it had the same functionality as VIP's receivers.
I'm kind of nervous for the announcement of the new joey's without any mention of OTA. I would hope I could add OTA tuner to hopper & both super joey 7 & wireless joey. I would assume Virtual Joey on my PS3 is out of the question (but that's ok).
I would like to know what I can do with a Hopper OTA module and if I can add them to Joey and the limitations they have.

 

[boba]

The one stumbling block for me upgrading my VIP622 to Hopper was lack of OTA support and they finally did that last year but didn't notice much fan fare about it. I never understood if it had the same functionality as VIP's receivers.
I'm kind of nervous for the announcement of the new joey's without any mention of OTA. I would hope I could add OTA tuner to hopper & both super joey 7 & wireless joey. I would assume Virtual Joey on my PS3 is out of the question (but that's ok).
I would like to know what I can do with a Hopper OTA module and if I can add them to Joey and the limitations they have.

Non of the Joeys have OTA the OTA capability is in the Hopper, we still have to wait for information on super joey seeing it will be the first joey with a tuner.

 

[Scherrman]

The one stumbling block for me upgrading my VIP622 to Hopper was lack of OTA support and they finally did that last year but didn't notice much fan fare about it. I never understood if it had the same functionality as VIP's receivers. I'm kind of nervous for the announcement of the new joey's without any mention of OTA. I would hope I could add OTA tuner to hopper & both super joey 7 & wireless joey. I would assume Virtual Joey on my PS3 is out of the question (but that's ok). I would like to know what I can do with a Hopper OTA module and if I can add them to Joey and the limitations they have.

Not sure why you would have any concern about the OTA, it's works great. Just connect it to the Hopper and you have access to those channels from any Joey connected to that Hopper. The only downfall I can see is that it's just a single tuner and not dual like the old one.

 

[david_jr]

Being able to access all Hopper recordings from any Hopper at any location was the main thing. Since that's already there and will only get better, no real urges for more integration here.

Personally I could be perfectly happy without full integration of Hoppers, however how about a setting that allows us to stay in the DVR of the Hopper we are viewing after we stop the recording. Personally having to re-navigate back to the other Hopper everytime and start over is a royal pain in the rump especially when catching up on a bunch of half hour shows. You'd think the people that came up with AutoHop could figure this out. It would also be great to see the EHD connected to the other Hopper for either viewing or downloading shows to.

 

[Scherrman]

Personally I could be perfectly happy without full integration of Hoppers, however how about a setting that allows us to stay in the DVR of the Hopper we are viewing after we stop the recording. Personally having to re-navigate back to the other Hopper everytime and start over is a royal pain in the rump especially when catching up on a bunch of half hour shows. You'd think the people that came up with AutoHop could figure this out. It would also be great to see the EHD connected to the other Hopper for either viewing or downloading shows to.

I wouldn't mind that fix as well.

 

[JM42]

Not sure why you would have any concern about the OTA, it's works great. Just connect it to the Hopper and you have access to those channels from any Joey connected to that Hopper. The only downfall I can see is that it's just a single tuner and not dual like the old one.

His 622 (and the 722) only had a single tuner anyway.