The FCC Will Allow ABC, CBS, FOX, & NBC TV Stations to Shutdown Free ATSC 1.0 & Switch to ATSC 3.0 Only

[navychop]

May ATSC 3 die a quick death.

 

[Neutron]

We stream everything at home but do use an OTA antenna setup with Tablo TV. Even their newest 4th gen device only does ATSC 1.0 so hopefully this won't be a requirement anytime soon.

 

[TNGuy84]

I use the same tuner to simplify my setup in the house, but the tuner sensitivity could be better. My LG TV and my Homeworx tuners outperform it on the ability to scan in channels. Anyway, I think you've got a good 5-6 years left before you have to worry about it becoming obsolete. By then, your viewing habits might change to just streaming only.

 

[WhiteBeard]

I couldn't find a reference to the quote by Data in ST:TNG when he stated that TV did not survive past the mid 21st century. Seems like it may be a valid prediction. This is from the episode when NCC-1701-D encountered the Romulans for the first time and where they encountered a derelict space module with humans in cryogenic suspension. Yeah, yeah, I know, it's fiction but this thread reminded me of the episode. As for me, I might just give up TV. If they charge for ATSC 3 reception I'll bet there will still be commercials in the programs - just like satellite.

 

[TRG]

I wonder if 3.0 is the reason why Tivo stopped selling DVR's.

TiVo Stops Selling DVRs Marking The End Of An Era | Cord Cutters News

In a seismic shift for the television industry, TiVo Corporation has quietly pulled the plug on its storied digital video recorder line, effectively ending an era that redefined how consumers interacted with broadcast content. As of early October 2025, the company’s official website has scrubbed...

cordcuttersnews.com

 

[mikew]

I wonder if 3.0 is the reason why Tivo stopped selling DVR's.

TiVo Stops Selling DVRs Marking The End Of An Era | Cord Cutters News

In a seismic shift for the television industry, TiVo Corporation has quietly pulled the plug on its storied digital video recorder line, effectively ending an era that redefined how consumers interacted with broadcast content. As of early October 2025, the company’s official website has scrubbed...

cordcuttersnews.com

Got my collection of Tivos in 2016 with lifetime. Saved a ton over the cost of the cable company DVR. These days, the Tivos still occupy space, but get used seldomly. Only when the internet goes down. It will be sad to put them out to pasture, but they served my family very well. I actually started with Tivo in 1999. Had it hooked up to my Dish 3900 with IR extender.

 

[primestar31]

I wonder if 3.0 is the reason why Tivo stopped selling DVR's.

TiVo Stops Selling DVRs Marking The End Of An Era | Cord Cutters News

In a seismic shift for the television industry, TiVo Corporation has quietly pulled the plug on its storied digital video recorder line, effectively ending an era that redefined how consumers interacted with broadcast content. As of early October 2025, the company’s official website has scrubbed...

cordcuttersnews.com

No, it was because their patents expired. Now they can't keep suing everybody that comes out with a DVR for an income stream.

 

[primestar31]

I couldn't find a reference to the quote by Data in ST:TNG when he stated that TV did not survive past the mid 21st century.

"The Neutral Zone" (Season 1, Episode 26)


View: https://youtu.be/3oQD80JteZk?si=ZERYPxsjQPWzWTLK

 

[John2021]

We may all have to keep Dish Network forever if OTA goes ATSC 3.0 and DRM!

CHARLIE WINS AGAIN!

BTY, NO ONE in my DMA is even experimenting with ATSC 3.0.

If my 5 TiVos can't pick up a signal I'll not bother to buy an ATSC 3.0 tuner, regardless.

i say it's a money grab!!! who in there right mind is going to pirate the news soaps and crappy talk shows ... no reason for DRM.but now air purifiers have freaking DRM so you only buy from the manufacture of the item you bought!!! that screams money grab loud and clear

 

[WhiteBeard]

"The Neutral Zone" (Season 1, Episode 26)

I thought how cool it would be to live in the 24th century but no TV? I guess the holodecks and holosuites will fill in the vacuum.

 

[primestar31]

I thought how cool it would be to live in the 24th century but no TV? I guess the holodecks and holosuites will fill in the vacuum.

Have I ever told you how creative holodeck women can be?... lol

 

[WhiteBeard]

Have I ever told you how creative holodeck women can be?... lol

I'd like to find out.

 

[W6MMS]

For those of us in forgotten zones, ATSC3 could be beneficial. For my example, we are 60 miles from the Los Angeles transmitters which are on VHF through UHF channels. The ATSC3 transmissions of the major broadcasters are all (well, mostly) from a 'lighthouse" on real channel 13. Reception is okay but if reception needed improvement, an antenna just for that channel could help.

I await an ATSC3 version of Tablo, which would solve the hit or miss reception of the ATSC1 broadcasts.

 

[navychop]

I thought how cool it would be to live in the 24th century but no TV? I guess the holodecks and holosuites will fill in the vacuum.

So there's
Liveware
AI Girl/boy friend and
Holosuite "companions!"

Progress marches on!

 

[MartyDe]

Yet another FCC notice.

The FCC Wants to Let ABC, CBS, FOX, & NBC Stations Decided When to Shutdown ATSC 1.0 OTA TV As They Move to ATSC 3.0 | Cord Cutters News

In a major shift for American television viewers, the Federal Communications Commission (FCC) has decided against setting a hard deadline to end the old digital TV system that powers most broadcasts and cable services today. This decision, announced on October 7, 2025, comes after months of...

cordcuttersnews.com

 

[Scott Greczkowski]

Yet another FCC notice.

The FCC Wants to Let ABC, CBS, FOX, & NBC Stations Decided When to Shutdown ATSC 1.0 OTA TV As They Move to ATSC 3.0 | Cord Cutters News

In a major shift for American television viewers, the Federal Communications Commission (FCC) has decided against setting a hard deadline to end the old digital TV system that powers most broadcasts and cable services today. This decision, announced on October 7, 2025, comes after months of...

cordcuttersnews.com

More questions then answers there. Especially on the DRM stuff.

Come on FCC get it together this is KILLING 3.0.

 

[FTA4PA]

Have to disagree. What is killing 3.0 is not the FCC. It is the greedy companies who are implementing and trying to control it all by themselves with no outside oversight.

 

[Scott Greczkowski]

I will have to say its the FCC not doing anything against the greedy companies.

They need to put their foot down, not just keep asking questions.

 

[Scott Greczkowski]

Tyler (AntennaMan) just posted the following...

The FCC issued a Further Notice of Proposed Rulemaking in regards to the NAB's proposal to mandate ATSC 3.0 and shut down the existing ATSC 1.0 TV standard as early as 2028. In it, the FCC does not recommend a forced mandate the broadcasters are requesting, but rather the removal of the "substantially similar simulcast rule." This rule requires TV stations to continue broadcasting all channels in the current TV standard so no one loses access. While this would technically allow TV stations to move their channels exclusively to ATSC 3.0 in some markets, I do not expect that to happen. At most, we may see a "reverse ATSC 1.0 lighthouse" situation where the channels move to one broadcast signal to continue ATSC 1.0 service be it at reduced picture quality - think 720p or even 480p standard definition. The FCC is seeking comment on other issues including DRM encryption, mandating ATSC 3.0 in all TVs, A3SA gatekeeping, and more.

DO NOT submit comments to the FCC on this yet. The comment period won't be open until sometime in December. Lon Seidman⁩ and I will publish videos better explaining everything along with our thoughts. To be clear, this proposal is not a big win for broadcasters. It keeps ATSC 3.0 voluntary. The only difference is TV stations may have the option broadcast exclusively in ATSC 3.0, which is unlikely considering 20% of their audience relies on ATSC 1.0, and a loss of that many viewers would make advertisers furious. Below are links to a good article on the situation along with the full 69-page FCC notice. Lon Seidman and I are referenced multiple times in, so the FCC is listening to our concerns.
https://thedesk.net/2025/10/fcc-nextgen-tv-proposals-nprm/
https://docs.fcc.gov/public/attachments/DOC-415053A1.pdf

 

[TNGuy84]

For those of us in forgotten zones, ATSC3 could be beneficial. For my example, we are 60 miles from the Los Angeles transmitters which are on VHF through UHF channels. The ATSC3 transmissions of the major broadcasters are all (well, mostly) from a 'lighthouse" on real channel 13. Reception is okay but if reception needed improvement, an antenna just for that channel could help.

I await an ATSC3 version of Tablo, which would solve the hit or miss reception of the ATSC1 broadcasts.

They're not likely to approve a network gateway product at this point since they're using excuses to avoid giving approval to HDHomeRun. They want a locked down system in which people depend on a box on each TV to watch what they want.