tOSU being investigated for tattoo-gate?

[yaz96]

But he has a "contract" with the SCHOOL, not the coach.

Remind me again, what the SCHOOL loses if a player wants to transfer, and how it benefits that school by the student sitting a year out?

 

[Ronnie-]

Remind me again, what the SCHOOL loses if a player wants to transfer, and how it benefits that school by the student sitting a year out?

It would give their competitors an edge if he transfers to them. For example. If a player from Alabama could transfer to Auburn with no penalty, he knows the plays, the signals, ect that they have been working on all year.
The school that was transfered from also loses a player in the depth rotation. Any time and money invested in recruiting the player, time and money spent to train him, house him, feed him, and possibly a competing player that they didnt sign because player A signed with them in the first place.

 

[Bear Paws]

What, you think the government is paying for that free ride for a student-athlete?

ROFLMAO!!!!!

You are too caught up on politics and not real life Bear. You think the government is paying for the new equipment or the added wing to the library that State U just got?

ROFLMAO...!!!

When the university starts sharing some of the profit they make from the student-athlete, THEN they can start taxing for tuition, room, board and books....

I see you still have that reading comprehension problem, Salsa. I don't know where you see "government" or "politics" in this statement. All I'm suggesting is its one way it would make everyone more accountable for the slush funds and freebies in the collegiate sports system. Most of these universities have not just millions but billions in tax free trust funds completely unaccounted for. I would love to run my business that way.

The "student-athlete " is receiving compensation for services rendered. He plays ball, or what ever the sport, and the university "pays" his tuition and whatever else they negotiate in the contract. In the real world that is taxable income to the recipient of these compensations.

I agree with you that the school should share more of the revenue with the "earners". But that would violate their tax exempt statues that allows them to rape pillage and bank ("Trust") billions in some schools while you can't buy tooth past.
To boot... the athlete is a revenue source for the school in that as a individual or as a team member he commands and the university demands a admission to watch and TV etc. exclusive rights compensation to disseminate the image of his performance. Man, if I ever prostituted and exploited my employees like that there would be a certain political faction that would go berserk, you included.

Now all that said, I figured I would take some time off from more serious and important discussion stuff and pop in to throw that comment into this thread just to see the response. I figured I would noogie you bald head and see what popped out...You did not disappoint..

If you know me after all these years like you think you do do you would know that I'm for minimal government and no income taxes. Thats why I said the university should pay the, call it "sales", tax on the compensations like room, tuition, etc. Especially since its a exclusive employment contract. Meaning you can not take another job unlike as if you where a 1099 subcontractor and could also work in a grocery store.

 

[Hall]

Sorry, but no, the coach is simply a representative of the school. The deal isn't between player and coach, it's player and school.

 

[The Insider]

They violated their amateur status via an NCAA rule. Regular students do not have team jerseys that have any market value in which to curry goods, services or favors. So he cheated they cheated the rules as written and should have been deemed ineligible from that incident forward. I am not really sure why the new classes coming in have to be told over and over about these things; God knows they see and gear about it before they walk in, so it should be REAL EASY to understand; so it stands to reason they think they are above it or can simply get away with it.

Thats not cheating, thats breaking the stupid rules. Cheating would be if he traded money for points. Or something along those lines. Nothing the OSU athletes did affected the game in any way.

 

[Ronnie-]

Thats not cheating, thats breaking the stupid rules. Cheating would be if he traded money for points. Or something along those lines. Nothing the OSU athletes did affected the game in any way.

Sure it has. The first five games of next year will be impacted

 

[Jimbo]

I didn't. The United States government did. Its called Title IX. Look it up and be informed next time.



As stated, most of the "profit" in college athletics is accounting tricks. At the most basic level, they build the infastructure at state expense, off the athletic budget. If you accounted for college athletics as if they were minor league sports, there are about 30 programs that might make a little profit.



You mean the cheaters who got caught cheating because they cheat?




Umm, from the newspaper. Outlaw State got caught, again. Try to keep up, OK?



They would already know that, genius. Pick a school. Lets try Louisville. The last two years of medical school are 99% work in a hospital. Not classroom work. Free work for an ultra profitable medical center. I'm sorry you wish to allow Outlaw State, and others, to cheat, but don't make stuff up as you go along. Any health profession involves a large amount of free work for the hospital. MD or DO? The last two years of medical school, then a residency, then probably a fellowship. A little more than two or three years playing football.


Answers.com - What is the average yearly income for an MD

$200K/year. A little less than an NFL salary.

Poor little Outlaw State, caught cheating, again.

WHO is this OUTLAW State, are they a new school .... never heard of them before.
What state are they from ? Are they division 1 ?

 

[Jimbo]

They violated their amateur status via an NCAA rule. Regular students do not have team jerseys that have any market value in which to curry goods, services or favors. So he cheated they cheated the rules as written and should have been deemed ineligible from that incident forward. I am not really sure why the new classes coming in have to be told over and over about these things; God knows they see and gear about it before they walk in, so it should be REAL EASY to understand; so it stands to reason they think they are above it or can simply get away with it.

Hmmm. I bet more than 5 people in College football are doing it too ..... And STILL doing it after this past weeks issues.

 

[charper1]

Hmmm. I bet more than 5 people in College football are doing it too ..... And STILL doing it after this past weeks issues.

... and I agree with you... This is almost like the whole doping vs. anti-doping scenario (a la drug war) ; violators trying to stay one step ahead; anti-dopers trying everything under the sun to stop it and spending ungodly amounts of funds and making things utterly ridiculous (searches and penalties) trying to stop them.

Cat & mouse; cat & mouse. All about the $$

In the end nearly everyone gets to a point were they just want to say F-IT! Throws their hands up and usually backlashes on the law and claims make everything legal. Damn socialists, hippies and anarchists. Societies that go that route will end up in the dumper! No rule of law, no personal responsibility no productivity, no nothing! And sadly we are headed that direction my friend.

 

[salsadancer7]

I see you still have that reading comprehension problem, Salsa. I don't know where you see "government" or "politics" in this statement. All I'm suggesting is its one way it would make everyone more accountable for the slush funds and freebies in the collegiate sports system. Most of these universities have not just millions but billions in tax free trust funds completely unaccounted for. I would love to run my business that way.

The "student-athlete " is receiving compensation for services rendered. He plays ball, or what ever the sport, and the university "pays" his tuition and whatever else they negotiate in the contract. In the real world that is taxable income to the recipient of these compensations.

I agree with you that the school should share more of the revenue with the "earners". But that would violate their tax exempt statues that allows them to rape pillage and bank ("Trust") billions in some schools while you can't buy tooth past.
To boot... the athlete is a revenue source for the school in that as a individual or as a team member he commands and the university demands a admission to watch and TV etc. exclusive rights compensation to disseminate the image of his performance. Man, if I ever prostituted and exploited my employees like that there would be a certain political faction that would go berserk, you included.

Now all that said, I figured I would take some time off from more serious and important discussion stuff and pop in to throw that comment into this thread just to see the response. I figured I would noogie you bald head and see what popped out...You did not disappoint..

If you know me after all these years like you think you do do you would know that I'm for minimal government and no income taxes. Thats why I said the university should pay the, call it "sales", tax on the compensations like room, tuition, etc. Especially since its a exclusive employment contract. Meaning you can not take another job unlike as if you where a 1099 subcontractor and could also work in a grocery store.

Thank you Bear for that good smack up side my head....I needed that!

 

[salsadancer7]

Sorry, but no, the coach is simply a representative of the school. The deal isn't between player and coach, it's player and school.

But I know recruiting. Maybe not football, but baseball. And more than HALF of the reason that a kid goes to a certain school is that playing time and his relationship with the coach and even some of the may have to do with the tradition of the school in that sport.

Yes he signed with the school....but it is not fair to the kid if a coach halls ass to another school and suddenly, he is not the apple of the new coach in town.

 

[salsadancer7]

Thats not cheating, thats breaking the stupid rules. Cheating would be if he traded money for points. Or something along those lines. Nothing the OSU athletes did affected the game in any way.

exactly!

 

[Ronnie-]

Hmmm. I bet more than 5 people in College football are doing it too ..... And STILL doing it after this past weeks issues.

True, but...in the end, rules are rules. From what I can gather here from posts from ex college athletic scholarship recipients, athletes know these rules as well. They are told them over and over. So is it a well I dont agree so ignore it situation for them? Or what?

One (or five) doing it doesnt excuse YOU (not you personally, the player in question) breaking the rules.

 

[Ronnie-]

But I know recruiting. Maybe not football, but baseball. And more than HALF of the reason that a kid goes to a certain school is that playing time and his relationship with the coach and even some of the may have to do with the tradition of the school in that sport.

Yes he signed with the school....but it is not fair to the kid if a coach halls ass to another school and suddenly, he is not the apple of the new coach in town.

The coach has to pay a penalty in most cases to do away with his contract though. Right? And the same if they fire him before the contract is up. He gets a buy out? In most cases anyway.

So why is he, or they, entitled to that (penalty or boon) and an athlete not held to the same standard in your mind?

 

[charper1]

Thats not cheating, thats breaking the stupid rules. Cheating would be if he traded money for points. Or something along those lines. Nothing the OSU athletes did affected the game in any way.

"cheat" - "rule broken" = its all semantics. That rule being broken and subsequently not be punished accordingly / timely like with past rule breakers; is effecting the bowl game and all the games they played in after the date of the broken rule. They CHEATED the system!

 

[Jimbo]

No rule of law, no personal responsibility no productivity, no nothing! And sadly we are headed that direction my friend.

Sadly, I think you are right, we have a whole generation that is irresponsible ... I'm not saying EVERYONE is, but there are a good number of people that just don't have a CLUE ....

 

[Jimbo]

True, but...in the end, rules are rules. From what I can gather here from posts from ex college athletic scholarship recipients, athletes know these rules as well. They are told them over and over. So is it a well I dont agree so ignore it situation for them? Or what?

One (or five) doing it doesnt excuse YOU (not you personally, the player in question) breaking the rules.

See post #148

 

[Jimbo]

"cheat" - "rule broken" = its all semantics. That rule being broken and subsequently not be punished accordingly / timely like with past rule breakers; is effecting the bowl game and all the games they played in after the date of the broken rule. They CHEATED the system!

Yup, they cheated the system ... they got a little bit of money, now they can afford to go on that date and eat out for a change.

 

[Jimbo]

Hey Charper,

Welcome to the Sports forum :up

 

[Ronnie-]

See post #148

See post #153.
That does not answer my question unless you said see the wrong post. My question was in direct response to that post.
Yeah, people still do it (and will still do it and pay the "price in this case"), does that excuse the act? And what causes it? A lack of caring for the rules?