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[EarDemon]

Ok, I think I have Remote Desktop at least not erroring out right away. However, it's asking for a username and password. However, I only log into that machine with a Windows login PIN number.

How can I figure out just WHAT username and the password it wants for Remote Desktop login?

If you logon to Windows with a local account, you need a password. You would have had to set one up when creating the account at some point. If you logon to Windows with a Microsoft Account, I have no idea how that works, I have never done that, but I have seen a couple people who got tricked into logging on with an MS account and they use a PIN. I set up the local accounts on all of my devices initially with a PW, then set up Fingerprint recognition as my primary login method, which requires a PIN as a back up method.

If you open a Run window and type in lusrmgr.msc (or control userpasswords2), you'll be able to add/remove local accounts and reset passwords.

By the way, my Network Neighborhood is essentially empty as well, just showing my NAS. Seems to come and go if it shows all of my Windows device or not.

For RDP, I haven't used the built in Windows client in forever at home. I've been using mRemoteNG for years, it is vastly superior, especially if you toggle between multiple RDP sessions, than Microsoft's native client.

 

[b4pjoe]

Ok, I think I have Remote Desktop at least not erroring out right away. However, it's asking for a username and password. However, I only log into that machine with a Windows login PIN number.

How can I figure out just WHAT username and the password it wants for Remote Desktop login?

Go into settings ===> accounts. It should show you the account you are logged in with. Usually a Microsoft or Outlook account. If you don’t know the password you will need to reset it.

 

[primestar31]

If you logon to Windows with a local account, you need a password. You would have had to set one up when creating the account at some point. If you logon to Windows with a Microsoft Account, I have no idea how that works, I have never done that, but I have seen a couple people who got tricked into logging on with an MS account and they use a PIN. I set up the local accounts on all of my devices initially with a PW, then set up Fingerprint recognition as my primary login method, which requires a PIN as a back up method.

If you open a Run window and type in lusrmgr.msc (or control userpasswords2), you'll be able to add/remove local accounts and reset passwords.

By the way, my Network Neighborhood is essentially empty as well, just showing my NAS. Seems to come and go if it shows all of my Windows device or not.

For RDP, I haven't used the built in Windows client in forever at home. I've been using mRemoteNG for years, it is vastly superior, especially if you toggle between multiple RDP sessions, than Microsoft's native client.

Ok, I logged in a single time as a Local User, setting up a username and password. I then logged out of that, and then logged back in with the Microsoft "Hello Pin". Now, even though I'm logged in as a Microsoft user, I can use the local account credentials to log in with Remote Desktop on my other laptop.

I'll keep the other remote client software you mention in mind also, thanks!

 

[EarDemon]

Yes, you now have two user profiles on the computer, a Local one and an MS Account. Since it's a new profile, the desktop and other things will be at default settings. It sounds like you made the new local user a local administrator, since if you didn't and made it a Standard User you would have had to add the account to the Remote Desktop Users group (or do System Properties ->Remote -> Select Users). Also, if you are not local admin, you won't be able to view the contents of the Library folders (My Docs/Pics/Videos/Download) for the other users.

Actually, now that I type this, I wonder if you can add the MS account to the Remote Desktop Users group.

 

[harshness]

How can I figure out just WHAT username and the password it wants for Remote Desktop login?

It is difficult/dangerous to make recommendations not knowing what your environment is (i.e. work .vs. home) and your level of Windows expertise.

The user name should be easy (unless the computer is headless -- no monitor or keyboard). Powershell will drop you into the home directory (C:\Users\<username>).

You can set the password if you have the PIN.

You could also add a hosts entry in the "calling computer" to set the machine name to the IP address (assuming that your DHCP server always serves up the same IP address to that machine).

 

[primestar31]

It is difficult/dangerous to make recommendations not knowing what your environment is (i.e. work .vs. home) and your level of Windows expertise.

The user name should be easy (unless the computer is headless -- no monitor or keyboard). Powershell will drop you into the home directory (C:\Users\<username>).

You can set the password if you have the PIN.

You could also add a hosts entry in the "calling computer" to set the machine name to the IP address (assuming that your DHCP server always serves up the same IP address to that machine).

Thanks, this is for home, see post 223 above. I have it all set up now and working fine as far as I can tell. As for my expertise, 28 years of IT support at my pre-retirement job. From IBM mainframe, to CP/M controlled lab computers, to Dos, and up through Windows 7. Then Windows 10 at home since I've been retired. Though IT skills can atrophy really quick when you are 8 years post retirement, and don't use them every day anymore.

I DID Google all this before making the post, but there's so MUCH stuff out there that seemingly conflicts, it gets hard to weed out the crap, and right to the exact few steps needed for something like this.

Oh yeah, and what started this was my upgrading Windows on Patch Tuesday. I should have remembered not to do that, and get the latest and greatest, that has God knows WHAT bugs in it. In this case, Microsoft trying to lock it down so freaking tight that you just about might as well as not plug in a network cable at all.

 

[harshness]

I DID Google all this before making the post, but there's so MUCH stuff out there that seemingly conflicts, it gets hard to weed out the crap, and right to the exact few steps needed for something like this.

The information may have been accurate at one time but Windows 11 has always been a moving target and some of the information becomes rancid with age. Windows 11 hasn't met all its promises yet so it is a bit like working with alpha software.

 

[EarDemon]

No different than Windows 10. Nothing like looking up info on Windows 10 to troubleshoot problems and discover what you see doesn't match up with the screenshots provided because the info was written about 1607 and you're on 22H2

 

[harshness]

No different than Windows 10. Nothing like looking up info on Windows 10 to troubleshoot problems and discover what you see doesn't match up with the screenshots provided because the info was written about 1607 and you're on 22H2

Windows 10 has been around much longer than Windows 11 so it has accumulated many more barnacles. Such is not to say that this, in any way, justifies the change-for-the-sake-of-change approach that Microsoft often explores.

If Windows weren't designed with a weather eye on selling updated Microsoft certifications and Dummy's books, things would probably be less crazy.

 

[arlo]

It's been a few months since I installed Windows 11. Last I remember if you disable all network devices. Pull cards, disable them in bios/uefi. Then you get an in-your-face option to create a local account. Bypassing the stupid create or login to a MS acct.
A few minutes of a web search probably will reveal other options. Key phrase "windows 11 install bypass microsoft account".

As far as Network Discovery and seeing your other devices in Network goes. Don't really know why they did it. Stupid.
Again. Search for the phrase "windows 11 (10) can't see other computers in network".
One thing is in Services. Set the two disabled services to start automatically with a delayed start.

A shut down and restart should get you straightened up. There are probably a few others such as enabling UPNP. Search the web.
There was a thing about a registry edit I think. Either edit it directly or a .reg download that does it for you. Backup the registry to a file first, of course.
Sometimes the .reg file also includes an undo file. No biggie.

If you have <shudder> Linux devices mapped in your LAN. Programs and features > Turn Windown Features on or off. Enable SMB, Samba.

Still loving my Win 11 Ghost Spectre. Bypasses al of the win 11 upgrade check fails and a nice desktop menu window with program and fatware install options.

 

[SDA_FL_USA]

It's been a few months since I installed Windows 11. Last I remember if you disable all network devices. Pull cards, disable them in bios/uefi. Then you get an in-your-face option to create a local account. Bypassing the stupid create or login to a MS acct.
A few minutes of a web search probably will reveal other options. Key phrase "windows 11 install bypass microsoft account".

Easy to just save all your files and stuff you want to keep and just add another user as local account set as admin and sign out and sign in to local account and then delete the other account linked to Microsoft and then add your files and stuff to the local acct.. That is what I did and then when I upgraded to windows11 from 10 It never ask me to sign in to my microsoft acct.
Only thing on this 2017 laptop that didn't pass the checks was the processor. I built a windows 10 iso with the windows 11 install.wim files converted to install.esd to get around the upgrade checks. That was an all day task to convert with some freeware but in the end I am liking windows 11.

 

[primestar31]

It's been a few months since I installed Windows 11. Last I remember if you disable all network devices. Pull cards, disable them in bios/uefi. Then you get an in-your-face option to create a local account. Bypassing the stupid create or login to a MS acct.
A few minutes of a web search probably will reveal other options. Key phrase "windows 11 install bypass microsoft account".

As far as Network Discovery and seeing your other devices in Network goes. Don't really know why they did it. Stupid.
Again. Search for the phrase "windows 11 (10) can't see other computers in network".
One thing is in Services. Set the two disabled services to start automatically with a delayed start.
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A shut down and restart should get you straightened up. There are probably a few others such as enabling UPNP. Search the web.
There was a thing about a registry edit I think. Either edit it directly or a .reg download that does it for you. Backup the registry to a file first, of course.
Sometimes the .reg file also includes an undo file. No biggie.

If you have <shudder> Linux devices mapped in your LAN. Programs and features > Turn Windown Features on or off. Enable SMB, Samba.

Still loving my Win 11 Ghost Spectre. Bypasses al of the win 11 upgrade check fails and a nice desktop menu window with program and fatware install options.

Did all that, after the initial Windows login as a Microsoft user with PIN login, I created a local Admin user account, and made a password for it. I now have full admin access to it, and can remote desktop into it just fine.

As for Network Discovery, I also went through all that stuff, added/turned it on, but it STILL can't automatically populate some things on my network under the "Network" tree in Quick Access. Interestingly though, you can now manually MAP those same devices/shares that don't automatically show.

Now I have to figure out how to transfer video files from my everyday laptop, to the D: drive hanging off the remote Windows 11 machine. Yeah, I can just RDP into it, and do a regular "Copy/Paste" between computers, but that's agonizingly SLOW, like 12 minutes for a 3.38GB file. There must be a way that's faster? Is there a way to manually MAP that remote server USB drive, on my regular Wiindows 10 laptop, so I can access it directly? If I try doing that, it wants a userid and password that isn't the same password as the local admin account one.

Sadly, I'm finding out my former daily work IT skills and remembrances are fading away, so I have to figure a lot of this out the hard way, or even just figure out the best key works to find it with Google.

 

[primestar31]

Now I have to figure out how to transfer video files from my everyday laptop, to the D: drive hanging off the remote Windows 11 machine. Yeah, I can just RDP into it, and do a regular "Copy/Paste" between computers, but that's agonizingly SLOW, like 12 minutes for a 3.38GB file. There must be a way that's faster? Is there a way to manually MAP that remote server USB drive, on my regular Wiindows 10 laptop, so I can access it directly? If I try doing that, it wants a userid and password that isn't the same password as the local admin account one.

OMG, see, now right after typing all that out, my mind remembered exactly how to do it! I just RDP'ed into the remote machine, and set up sharing on the folder on that drive. All done!

 

[EarDemon]

It's been a few months since I installed Windows 11. Last I remember if you disable all network devices. Pull cards, disable them in bios/uefi. Then you get an in-your-face option to create a local account. Bypassing the stupid create or login to a MS acct.
A few minutes of a web search probably will reveal other options. Key phrase "windows 11 install bypass microsoft account".

With Pro and higher, you just have select 'Set up work or school account' and then choose 'Domain Join Instead' during the set up. You don't have to disable anything or go though any hoops. Takes 10 secs to complete.

You'll be prompted to create a username and password for the local account and that's it. I've done this hundreds of times. You never actually have to join it to an AD domain.

With Home, you can open a CMD prompt window and type a command or two pertaining to the OOBE and it will supposedly bypass it but I can't confirm as I never tried it. I have not run a home/consumer version of Windows since 98SE. Pro is the only way to go!

 

[arlo]

With Pro and higher, you just have select 'Set up work or school account' and then choose 'Domain Join Instead' during the set up. You don't have to disable anything or go though any hoops. Takes 10 secs to complete.

You'll be prompted to create a username and password for the local account and that's it. I've done this hundreds of times. You never actually have to join it to an AD domain.

With Home, you can open a CMD prompt window and type a command or two pertaining to the OOBE and it will supposedly bypass it but I can't confirm as I never tried it. I have not run a home/consumer version of Windows since 98SE. Pro is the only way to go!

Always one in the crowd. Most will upgrade Home as that's what 99.99% of what a consumer buys. Right?

All I remember from a previous install was that you could not readily bypass the MS account login at first boot.
And in later 11 Home versions. Many things including the Administrator account are hidden. Things you were accustomed to having access to before.

So. The easiest and fastest way is to simply temporarily remove the option to connect to the 'net by disabling a network connection.
Once Windows sees that one is unavailable. It defaults to creating a local user acct. Right?

Supposedly. Love it. Not arguing that Pro may be 'the only way to go'. For some. Do I need it? I have it on my desktop pc.
This Asus laptop that is still living quite well, is Windows 10 old. But older than what a free upgrade to 11 (standard online free) due to hardware and crap. It has a UEFI. Secure Boot. But no Trusted platform and other things that 11 mandates. So. Fail!
First boot into a command prompt to get to a command prompt? Okay. Kill networking. Get going. Shut down and boot the UEFI.
Re enable the network interface. Easy.
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Even with Pro on the desktop. The Function Discovery services settings were shut off. Same on my laptop with Pro stock. So....
Just trying to help. That's all.