I would add to your list all the remaining PBS stations in the L.A. area, and I would be happy. The remaining 50 some odd other OTA's and the sub-carriers aren't worth anything. Ironically, KOCE has more and better HD programming right now than the flagship KCET. I've been watching it more lately. KCET is focused on news and information and public affairs, and a fair number of those programs are still in SD.