Saints violate NFL Bounty rules, paid bonuses to injure players

[salsadancer7]

So, because he's not familiar with the terminology, or the information learned couldn't be communicated to those who could in a timely manner, it's OK to cheat??


Wasn't that the reasoning behind the Spygate punishments; that they potentially could be used in the future??

I did not say it is OK to cheat. Please do not put those words into my statement. What I am say is it that to me, I need someone more credible other than "Outside the Lines" to come up with more credible evidence.

 

[Jimbo]

I did not say it is OK to cheat. Please do not put those words into my statement. What I am say is it that to me, I need someone more credible other than "Outside the Lines" to come up with more credible evidence.

Really ?
Is Yahoo any better ?
Or TMZ ?

Gets really tiring seeing these nobody Investigative units (really ?) think they are creditable, but they seem to get the attention and people believe them.

Pretty soon there will be no need for actual detectives.

 

[salsadancer7]

Really ?
Is Yahoo any better ?
Or TMZ ?

Gets really tiring seeing these nobody Investigative units (really ?) think they are creditable, but they seem to get the attention and people believe them.

Pretty soon there will be no need for actual detectives.

Yahoo has it's issues as well. And truth be told... TMZ tends to be more credible than most.

 

[cosmo_kramer]

The NFL suspended four players for their roles in the New Orleans Saints' bounty system, including linebacker Jonathan Vilma for the entire 2012 season.

In addition to Vilma, defensive tackle Anthony Hargrove was suspended eight games, defensive Will Smith four games and linebacker Scott Fujita (now with the Cleveland Browns) three games.

NFL bans four players for New Orleans Saints' bounty roles - ESPN

 

[yaz96]

Saints' Jonathan Vilma suspended for 2012 season

NFL.com
Published: May 2, 2012 at 11:54 a.m. Updated: May 2, 2012 at 11:59 a.m.


Player discipline was handed down Wednesday in relation to the New Orleans Saints pay-for-performance "bounty" scandal.

Four players -- Scott Fujita, Anthony Hargrove, Will Smith, and Jonathan Vilma -- were notified today that they have been suspended without pay for conduct detrimental to the NFL as a result of their leadership roles in the New Orleans Saints' pay-for-performance/bounty program that endangered player safety over three seasons from 2009-2011.

The discipline breaks down as follows:

• Linebacker Jonathan Vilma of the Saints is suspended without pay for the 2012 NFL season, effective immediately per league policy for season-long suspensions.

• Linebacker Scott Fujita (now with the Cleveland Browns) is suspended without pay for the first three games.

• Defensive lineman Anthony Hargrove (now with the Green Bay Packers) is suspended without pay for the first eight games.

• Will Smith of the Saints is suspended without pay for the first four games.

 

[Rey]

wow some major suspensions right there.

 

[meStevo]

* Scott Fujita (now with the Cleveland Browns) is suspended without pay for the first three games of the 2012 regular season. The record established that Fujita, a linebacker, pledged a significant amount of money to the prohibited pay-for-performance/bounty pool during the 2009 NFL Playoffs when he played for the Saints. The pool to which he pledged paid large cash rewards for “cart-offs” and “knockouts,” plays during which an opposing player was injured.


* Defensive lineman Anthony Hargrove (now with the Green Bay Packers) is suspended without pay for the first eight games of the 2012 regular season. Hargrove actively participated in the program while a member of the Saints. Hargrove submitted a signed declaration to the league that established not only the existence of the program at the Saints, but also that he knew about and participated in it. The evidence showed that Hargrove told at least one player on another team that Vikings quarterback Brett Favre was a target of a large bounty during the NFC Championship Game in January of 2010. Hargrove also actively obstructed the league’s 2010 investigation into the program by being untruthful to investigators.


* Will Smith of the Saints is suspended without pay for the first four games of the 2012 regular season. Smith, a defensive end, assisted Saints defensive coordinator Gregg Williams in establishing and funding the program during a period in which he was a captain and leader of the defensive unit. Multiple independent sources also confirmed that Smith pledged significant sums to the program pool for “cart-offs” and “knockouts” of opposing players.


* Linebacker Jonathan Vilma of the Saints is suspended without pay for the 2012 NFL season, effective immediately per league policy for season-long suspensions. The investigation concluded that while a captain of the defensive unit Vilma assisted Coach Williams in establishing and funding the program. Multiple independent sources also confirmed that Vilma offered a specific bounty — $10,000 in cash – to any player who knocked Arizona quarterback Kurt Warner out of the 2009 Divisional Playoff Game and later pledged the same amount to anyone who knocked Minnesota quarterback Brett Favre out of the 2009 NFC Championship Game the following week (played on January 24, 2010). Vilma is eligible to be reinstated after the Super Bowl in 2013.
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[meStevo]

No . Spygate was for recording on the field during the game. No evidence of any walk through being taped. And Eric Mangini now regrets the whole episode. He has said he thought it would never turn into the what happened. He was shocked at what the NFL did. He really didn't think the NFL would get involved. He thought they would just take the camera and that would be the end of it.

It was stupid of the Patriots and arrogant to use the camera. But, it didn't effect any game. Patriot haters use this as a way to attack the Patriots but don't provide any evidence that it helped win games.

Down boy, we've moved on and are back on topic.

NFLPA says they still haven't received any evidence backing up the NFL's punishment imposed today

 

[salsadancer7]

Crazy... what is EVEN CRAZIER is that the "executioner", Fidel Gooden, ALSO is in charge of the appeals...which makes even lesser sense. BUT, the players did agree to it so they are their own worse enemy.

Personally, the penalty is sort of ridiculous UNLESS you lied to the league and said you weren't doing this...and you got your hands caught in the cookie jar.

 

[meStevo]

Yup, this is the process that was collectively bargained, the NFLPA almost completely compromised and left all the player punishment stuff intact. I'm not sure they were able to change a thing. Of course many overlook that it goes through a number of people before it even gets to him.

 

[salsadancer7]

Classy move by the the new Bucs coach, Greg Schiano:

Tampa Bay Buccaneers sign injured Rutgers DT Eric LeGrand in symbolic gesture - ESPN

In a NOT so classy move, the NFL didn't even personally notify Jonathan Vilma about his suspension, he found out by way of Sportcenter report...

Jonathan Vilma found out about his year-long suspension from

 

[salsadancer7]

Yup, this is the process that was collectively bargained, the NFLPA almost completely compromised and left all the player punishment stuff intact. I'm not sure they were able to change a thing. Of course many overlook that it goes through a number of people before it even gets to him.

But seriously dude... how many are gonna ACTUALLY question the head honcho?

 

[Ramy]

I think a year is a bit over to top to me.

 

[Rey]

Crazy... what is EVEN CRAZIER is that the "executioner", Fidel Gooden, ALSO is in charge of the appeals...which makes even lesser sense. BUT, the players did agree to it so they are their own worse enemy.

Personally, the penalty is sort of ridiculous UNLESS you lied to the league and said you weren't doing this...and you got your hands caught in the cookie jar.

calling roger goodell, fidel is quite an exaggeration. no comparison and don't want to get into that since there's no place for that here. (sonicbabble)

i understand the punishment handed out may be harsh to some, but i find it funny how the commissioner is always made to be the bad guy. who does goodell work for? oh yeah the owners. and it seems that the majority of the owners in the NFL if not all of them like the job he's doing so far since he's still commissioner. the players have an issue well imo they need to look beyond goodell. there was a long investigation into this situation so i'm sure they have a lot on these players that warranted these types of suspensions. starting with vilma who actually put of his own money into this thing. as to ROGER Goodell being in charge of the appeals process well its like you said,the players agreed to this and the owners had no issues with it.

the NFLPA will challenge these suspensions and they should as they have the right to do so. not sure if much will change.....

 

[yaz96]

I think a year is a bit over to top to me.

He was an NFL player paying to have another NFL player (his co-worker) hurt and injured enough to be taken off the field.


Didn't someone go to jail over the Nancy Kerrigan incident?









annoying edit tag

 

[Rey]

lets keep posts related to this subject in this thread please. thanks guys.....

 

[Hart5150]

The PA agreed to the appeals process, their beef should be with D. Smith, not Goodell.

I'm waiting for the self appointed King of the NFL, Drew Brees, to weigh in that should be good.

 

[cosmo_kramer]

I'm waiting for the self appointed King of the NFL, Drew Brees, to weigh in that should be good.

He should sign a contract first!!!

 

[Rey]

He should sign a contract first!!!

Yeah it seems that they're nowhere near an agreement according to espn.

 

[salsadancer7]

calling roger goodell, fidel is quite an exaggeration. no comparison and don't want to get into that since there's no place for that here. (sonicbabble)

i understand the punishment handed out may be harsh to some, but i find it funny how the commissioner is always made to be the bad guy. who does goodell work for? oh yeah the owners. and it seems that the majority of the owners in the NFL if not all of them like the job he's doing so far since he's still commissioner. the players have an issue well imo they need to look beyond goodell. there was a long investigation into this situation so i'm sure they have a lot on these players that warranted these types of suspensions. starting with vilma who actually put of his own money into this thing. as to ROGER Goodell being in charge of the appeals process well its like you said,the players agreed to this and the owners had no issues with it.

the NFLPA will challenge these suspensions and they should as they have the right to do so. not sure if much will change.....

Rey, the Dictator, gave Dante Stallworth the same length of suspension for killing a man and now, he suspends a guy for something that more or less he is PAID TO DO.

Go figure..