“Well there’s your problem!”

[FTA4PA]

Congratulations!
Patience and perseverance have a magical effect before which difficulties disappear and obstacles vanish.
John Quincy Adams - 6th President of the United States (1825-1829)

 

[Dee_Ann]

And today, it's all out of whack.... I wonder if they heat is making things expand/contract and thus move on and off target? I had it working reasonably well yesterday, in the heat of the day.
Last night at 3am, nothing. Almost the whole arc was weak except for the center which was also a bit weak. But the east and west were just gone.

This thing is driving me insane.

 

[Dee_Ann]

Ok, so what about a TV that you can see in direct sunlight?
The display on my new meter works better in bright sunlight. (I do need polarized sunglasses or a polarized filter over it through because of glare/reflections)
There is a Kindle tablet thingie from Amazon that you can read in direct sunlight.

Certainly the technology exists. Why can't they make a small TV that you can see outdoors? I need to bring my MicroHD outside and I have a little 7" TV but you can not see it in daylight.

Even if it's just greyscale I wouldn't care, if I can see the bloody thing and read the menus and operate the STB with the remote control, I would buy it!

Can these Kindle things be adapted to use as a TV set?


Someone found a way to SORT OF use one as a PC screen but that won't help me, I want to plug one into one of the video output ports of my STB.

http://www.techhive.com/article/259582/how_to_use_a_kindle_dx_as_a_pc_display.html

 

[Dee_Ann]

NOW I have figured it out !!

The motor bracket is warping when I tighten it in place! A LOT!



You can see that the bracket is twisted, a lot..

When I loosen the dish to adjust the azimuth it "droops" which is to be expected. But when I tighten it back up, it comes back up again but as I tighten the four bolts the whole dish will move all over the place!
It can move pretty radically in any direction and when it's pointed at 125 and I tighten just one bolt it can appear to twist or rotate a bit.
My dad came over and looked at it and he agreed that the bracket is flimsy and gives too much, that it's design is just rubbish.

I put a couple of different angle meters on the pole and the bracket to demonstrate how much the bracket is out of whack from the pole.
The pole is 0.4 from being in perfect plumb. Looking at a level with a bubble in it and looking at the other angle meter with the little needle that moves by gravity, the pole appears to be perfectly plumb.
It's only with the digital meter that I was able to see that it's not.




I can not figure out now how I will ever be able to get this thing working right since the flippin bracket is flimsy and tightening it up warps and twists it all over the place..

 

[TheHamNerd]

Dee.....

Where did you get that digital angle meter? I have to get one of those toys!!!

 

[waylew]

Harbor Freight has em.

 

[TheHamNerd]

Man...I had to boycott that place after 2 bad purchases....Don't want to slander them, but I refuse to do business with them ever again. I will go to Wal-Mart before I go to Harbor Freight....

 

[waylew]

Never had a problem with HF but I also don't have grandiose expectations for some of the stuff I get there.
That being said you should be able to find those angle meters at Lowes/Home Depot/local hardware/lumberyard,Amazon,Ebay etc.
I think I paid about 30 bucks for mine a couple of years ago.

 

[Dee_Ann]

My dad bought this one at Harbor Freight. I just looked on Amazon and found all sorts of odd things.

 

[bpalone]

Dee_Ann

Just a thought from a lurker on this thread. Have you watched your meter as you tighten everything? You might be able to adjust your tightening pattern to keep everything very close to your peak settings.

I have a bit of a Mickey Mouse set up on my Ku band and had a somewhat similar situation. But, I discovered that by tightening on one side It pulled back into alignment. The other thing is, that if you are warping it, you are probably over tightening it. It needs to be tight, but not over tight.

Hope it helps.

 

[Dee_Ann]

Dee_Ann

Just a thought from a lurker on this thread. Have you watched your meter as you tighten everything? You might be able to adjust your tightening pattern to keep everything very close to your peak settings.

I have a bit of a Mickey Mouse set up on my Ku band and had a somewhat similar situation. But, I discovered that by tightening on one side It pulled back into alignment. The other thing is, that if you are warping it, you are probably over tightening it. It needs to be tight, but not over tight.

Hope it helps.

Good idea and good points. I am about to go back out into the heat again for ~another~ try at this.

Thanks!

 

[Titanium]

Dee Ann,

A few tricks that I use on post clamps is to put a strip of the gritty "no slip" adhesive backed strips inside the clamp. These are used for stair treads. When the hardware is tightened, the grit grabs the surface with much less torque needed! Once you get everything set and secured, drive a tapper screw through the mount and post!

Had a customer on the Oregon coast that repeatedly lost reception after winter storms. Tapper screws solved the problem, until a tree fell through the house and crushed the dishes. BTW... The tappers held!

 

[Dee_Ann]

Another day in the sun. And VICTORY!

This dish install holds the world record for the longest, slowest, most troublesome dish install EVER !!
Only the wars in the middle east took longer than the battle I fought trying to make this Frankendish work right !!

TIP: DO NOT MAKE YOUR OWN DISH FROM SCRATCH!! Just buy a proper one already made !!

I double checked again with the square and I found that the dish was still not square with the motor. So I fixed that.

The after I moved the dish to ZERO I found that the entire dish was skewed.

My dad looked at it yesterday and suggested to put some metal bars in between the clamps and the brackets to give it more strength and make it harder for it to warp when I tighten it up.
I had already put an old gate hinge on the pole for the motor bracket to ride on so it won't slide down when I loosen it. That alone made my life infinitely easier.

I took an old metal bar out of an old chain link fence and cut off two chunks and put them between the brackets and the clamps.

I moved the dish to 95 and got a signal, tweaked it a little then moved it to 125 and tweaked it there with the meter set on a PBS transponder.
I tuned the meter to the transponder with Montana PBS and there was nothing.

So I began to tighten the motor bolts evenly until the motor was unable to turn on the pole and as I did so, the transponder with Montana began to come in.
A little tweaking and I was getting ~everything~...

But the big question was would I now be able to get 72? So I moved the dish to 72 and there it was.

I found LPBS on 87. The Chinese stuff on 95.

103 has some interesting stuff too. But, the other day I had 103 pulling in COZI, however today I can't find it. ???

123 comes in but has nothing of interest to me, I can't find FSTV on it but I don't care because it's included with my Dish subscription. Meh..

And then 125... ALL the PBS stuff is coming in there! Some of it a bit weak so I may play with editing the frequencies or the symbol rates rather than mess with the physical dish.
I also suppose I could try to make very minute changes to the LNBF skew but that's a last resort. It's working so well that I'm afraid to touch it now!

Format 2.4
Satellite1 -72.0,AMC6
Version 10
Date 06/17/2014
Time 16:50:48
Model TURBO S2
Location
Technician DEE.ANN
Notes
LNB Model Std N.Am Ku 10.75
FieldGuide North American V 2.19
Software 1.34
Serial *******
Level dBuV
Region SE Continental US
Switch None
Meter TurboS2

Orbit Tran Frequency Level C/N IRD Eb/No Es/No Lock Polar Id DnLink FreqError Mod Code Baud LnbV LnbI ReqLim Result Band Manual AvgLim
-72.0 Tr B2S1 1033.600 70.3 15.4 100 14.9 16.7 LOCK V . 11783.600 0.022 Turbo Q-2/3 2522 13.3 Under . . 0 Tr B2S1 .
-72.0 Tr I3A1 1081.008 72.5 12.4 93 11.9 13.7 LOCK V ID 11831.008 0.012 Turbo Q-3/4 14737 13.3 Under . . 0 Tr I3A1 .
-72.0 Tr 20 1303.064 67.0 10.6 82 10.1 11.9 LOCK V . 12053.064 -0.075 Dvb-S 5/6 6890 13.3 Under . . 0 Tr 20 .


Left(even) Right(odd)
Min Max Min Max Measure
Tr -1 0.0 Tr -1 0.0 Tr 20 67.0 Tr 3 72.5 Level
Tr -1 0.0 Tr -1 0.0 Tr 20 10.6 Tr 2 15.4 C/N
Tr -1 0.0 Tr -1 0.0 Tr 20 82.0 Tr 2 100.0 IRD
Tr -1 0.0 Tr -1 0.0 Tr 20 10.1 Tr 2 14.9 Eb/No
Tr -1 0.0 Tr -1 0.0 Tr 20 11.9 Tr 2 16.7 Es/No

Transponders Found: 3
2 3 20

Left Co-Polar: Tr -1 Tr -1 0.0 dB
Right Co-Polar: Tr 3 Tr 20 5.5 dB
Cross Polar: Tr -1 Tr -1 0.0 dB

Format 2.4
Satellite1 -87.0,SES2
Version 10
Date 06/17/2014
Time 16:50:48
Model TURBO S2
Location
Technician DEE.ANN
Notes
LNB Model Std N.Am Ku 10.75
FieldGuide North American V 2.19
Software 1.34
Serial *******
Level dBuV
Region SE Continental US
Switch None
Meter TurboS2

Orbit Tran Frequency Level C/N IRD Eb/No Es/No Lock Polar Id DnLink FreqError Mod Code Baud LnbV LnbI ReqLim Result Band Manual AvgLim
-87.0 Tr 2 986.788 70.7 13.5 96 13.0 14.8 LOCK V . 11736.788 -0.040 Dvb-S 2/3 8333 13.2 Under . . 0 Tr 2 .
-87.0 Tr B2N1 1029.812 69.1 13.5 96 13.0 14.8 LOCK V . 11779.812 -0.063 Dvb-S 1/2 5000 13.3 Under . . 0 Tr B2N1 .
-87.0 Tr K3B1 994.760 65.8 11.6 88 11.1 12.9 LOCK H . 11744.760 0.264 Dvb-S 3/4 3979 17.9 290 . . 0 Tr K3B1 .
-87.0 Tr I3A1 1061.392 67.8 0.0 . . . Unlock H . 11811.392 0.000 DvbS2 8-3/5 11150 17.9 290 . . 0 Tr I3A1 .
-87.0 Tr C4C1 1051.268 69.4 16.1 100 15.6 17.4 LOCK H . 11801.268 0.295 Dvb-S 7/8 2687 17.9 290 . . 0 Tr C4C1 .
-87.0 Tr C4G1 1138.584 74.3 16.3 100 15.8 17.6 LOCK V . 11888.584 -0.093 Dvb-S 5/6 10000 13.3 Under . . 0 Tr C4G1 .
-87.0 Tr C4F1 1258.688 63.4 13.4 96 12.9 14.7 LOCK H . 12008.688 0.279 Dvb-S 3/4 2170 17.9 290 . . 0 Tr C4F1 .
-87.0 Tr C4H1 1294.332 66.2 0.0 . . . Unlock V . 12044.332 0.000 DvbS2 Auto 3223 13.2 Under . . 0 Tr C4H1 .
-87.0 Tr C4I1 1299.832 62.3 11.9 90 11.4 13.2 LOCK V . 12049.832 -0.084 DvbS2 8-2/3 4800 13.2 Under . . 0 Tr C4I1 .
-87.0 Tr 5 1044.980 67.7 12.6 94 12.1 13.9 LOCK V . 11794.980 -0.081 Dvb-S 1/2 5000 13.2 Under . . 0 Tr 5 .
-87.0 Tr 5 1078.264 74.6 14.9 99 14.4 16.2 LOCK V . 11828.264 -0.069 Dvb-S 5/6 10000 13.3 Under . . 0 Tr 5 .
-87.0 Tr 14 1210.064 71.4 11.2 86 10.7 12.5 LOCK H ID 11960.064 0.309 Dvb-S 3/4 29270 18.0 290 . . 0 Tr 14 .


Left(even) Right(odd)
Min Max Min Max Measure
Tr 4 63.4 Tr 14 71.4 Tr 4 62.3 Tr 5 74.6 Level
Tr 14 11.2 Tr 4 16.1 Tr 4 11.9 Tr 4 16.3 C/N
Tr 14 86.0 Tr 4 100.0 Tr 4 90.0 Tr 4 100.0 IRD
Tr 14 10.7 Tr 4 15.6 Tr 4 11.4 Tr 4 15.8 Eb/No
Tr 14 12.5 Tr 4 17.4 Tr 4 13.2 Tr 4 17.6 Es/No

Transponders Found: 10
2 2 3 4 4 4 4 5
5 14

Left Co-Polar: Tr 4 Tr 14 8.0 dB
Right Co-Polar: Tr 4 Tr 4 12.0 dB
Cross Polar: Tr 4 Tr 5 11.2 dB

Format 2.4
Satellite1 -95.0,G3C
Version 10
Date 06/17/2014
Time 16:50:48
Model TURBO S2
Location
Technician DEE.ANN
Notes
LNB Model Std N.Am Ku 10.75
FieldGuide North American V 2.19
Software 1.34
Serial *******

Level dBuV
Region SE Continental US
Switch None
Meter TurboS2

Orbit Tran Frequency Level C/N IRD Eb/No Es/No Lock Polar Id DnLink FreqError Mod Code Baud LnbV LnbI ReqLim Result Band Manual AvgLim
-95.0 Tr 1 970.080 74.7 13.1 95 12.1 13.9 LOCK H ID 11720.080 0.294 DSS 2/3 20000 17.9 285 . . 0 Tr 1 .
-95.0 Tr B2E1 1098.752 72.1 10.9 84 10.4 12.2 LOCK V . 11848.752 -0.022 Dvb-S 2/3 9000 13.2 Under . . 0 Tr B2E1 .
-95.0 Tr 4 1030.080 75.9 13.5 96 13.0 14.8 LOCK H . 11780.080 0.293 Dvb-S 3/4 20759 18.0 290 . . 0 Tr 4 .
-95.0 Tr 6 1130.036 70.6 11.3 86 10.8 12.6 LOCK V . 11880.036 -0.055 Dvb-S 2/3 5000 13.2 Under . . 0 Tr 6 .
-95.0 Tr 7 1090.072 75.0 12.8 95 11.8 13.6 LOCK H . 11840.072 0.296 DSS 2/3 20000 18.0 290 . . 0 Tr 7 .
-95.0 Tr 10 1150.072 74.9 12.8 95 11.8 13.6 LOCK H . 11900.072 0.294 DSS 2/3 20000 17.9 290 . . 0 Tr 10 .
-95.0 Tr 12 1180.068 74.3 13.3 96 12.3 14.1 LOCK H . 11930.068 0.296 DSS 2/3 20000 18.0 290 . . 0 Tr 12 .
-95.0 Tr 15 1240.064 72.9 13.1 95 12.1 13.9 LOCK H . 11990.064 0.296 DSS 2/3 20000 18.0 290 . . 0 Tr 15 .
-95.0 Tr 18 1300.060 73.4 14.0 97 13.5 15.3 LOCK H . 12050.060 0.298 Dvb-S 3/4 20000 18.0 290 . . 0 Tr 18 .
-95.0 Tr 22 1390.056 73.1 12.8 95 11.8 13.6 LOCK H . 12140.056 0.296 DSS 2/3 20000 17.9 285 . . 0 Tr 22 .


Left(even) Right(odd)
Min Max Min Max Measure
Tr 15 72.9 Tr 4 75.9 Tr 6 70.6 Tr 2 72.1 Level
Tr 7 12.8 Tr 18 14.0 Tr 2 10.9 Tr 6 11.3 C/N
Tr 1 95.0 Tr 18 97.0 Tr 2 84.0 Tr 6 86.0 IRD
Tr 7 11.8 Tr 18 13.5 Tr 2 10.4 Tr 6 10.8 Eb/No
Tr 7 13.6 Tr 18 15.3 Tr 2 12.2 Tr 6 12.6 Es/No

Transponders Found: 10
1 2 4 6 7 10 12 15
18 22

Left Co-Polar: Tr 12 Tr 15 1.4 dB
Right Co-Polar: Tr 2 Tr 6 1.5 dB
Cross Polar: Tr 6 Tr 7 4.4 dB

Format 2.4
Satellite1 -97.0,G-19
Version 10
Date 06/17/2014
Time 16:50:48
Model TURBO S2
Location
Technician DEE.ANN
Notes
LNB Model Std N.Am Ku 10.75
FieldGuide North American V 2.19
Software 1.34
Serial *******
Level dBuV
Region SE Continental US
Switch None
Meter TurboS2

Orbit Tran Frequency Level C/N IRD Eb/No Es/No Lock Polar Id DnLink FreqError Mod Code Baud LnbV LnbI ReqLim Result Band Manual AvgLim
-97.0 Tr 1 956.400 66.4 7.1 56 6.6 8.4 LOCK V . 11706.400 -0.028 Dvb-S 1/2 7161 13.2 Under . . 0 Tr 1 .
-97.0 Tr A4B1 1433.564 72.5 12.9 96 12.4 14.2 LOCK H . 12183.564 0.295 Dvb-S 3/4 21991 18.0 290 . . 0 Tr A4B1 .
-97.0 Tr 5 1086.072 77.1 11.6 88 11.1 12.9 LOCK V ID 11836.072 -0.081 Dvb-S 3/4 20765 13.2 Under . . 0 Tr 5 .
-97.0 Tr 6 1092.500 75.5 13.1 95 12.6 14.4 LOCK H . 11842.500 0.376 Dvb-S 3/4 22000 17.9 290 . . 0 Tr 6 .
-97.0 Tr 7 1117.068 76.7 13.8 97 13.3 15.1 LOCK V . 11867.068 -0.079 Dvb-S 3/4 22000 13.2 Under . . 0 Tr 7 .
-97.0 Tr 9 1148.072 76.3 13.0 95 12.5 14.3 LOCK V . 11898.072 -0.081 Dvb-S 3/4 22000 13.3 Under . . 0 Tr 9 .
-97.0 Tr 11 1179.064 75.9 14.2 97 13.7 15.5 LOCK V . 11929.064 -0.079 Dvb-S 3/4 22000 13.3 Under . . 0 Tr 11 .
-97.0 Tr 12 1185.500 75.2 13.5 96 13.0 14.8 LOCK H . 11935.500 0.370 Dvb-S 3/4 20000 18.0 290 . . 0 Tr 12 .
-97.0 Tr 13 1210.076 76.0 12.7 95 12.2 14.0 LOCK V . 11960.076 -0.093 Dvb-S 3/4 22000 13.3 Under . . 0 Tr 13 .
-97.0 Tr 14 1216.500 74.2 13.9 97 13.4 15.2 LOCK H . 11966.500 0.370 Dvb-S 3/4 22000 17.9 290 . . 0 Tr 14 .
-97.0 Tr 17 1272.064 75.8 13.5 96 13.0 14.8 LOCK V . 12022.064 -0.083 Dvb-S 3/4 22000 13.3 Under . . 0 Tr 17 .
-97.0 Tr 18 1278.040 74.4 10.9 84 10.4 12.2 LOCK H . 12028.040 0.326 Dvb-S 3/4 22000 18.0 290 . . 0 Tr 18 .
-97.0 Tr 19 1303.060 75.5 11.1 85 10.6 12.4 LOCK V . 12053.060 -0.082 Dvb-S 3/4 22000 13.3 Under . . 0 Tr 19 .
-97.0 Tr 20 1309.500 74.1 14.2 97 13.7 15.5 LOCK H . 12059.500 0.365 Dvb-S 3/4 22000 18.0 290 . . 0 Tr 20 .
-97.0 Tr 21 1334.056 75.7 13.2 95 12.7 14.5 LOCK V . 12084.056 -0.078 Dvb-S 3/4 22000 13.3 Under . . 0 Tr 21 .
-97.0 Tr 22 1340.524 73.9 14.4 98 13.9 15.7 LOCK H . 12090.524 0.343 Dvb-S 3/4 20000 17.9 290 . . 0 Tr 22 .
-97.0 Tr 22 1396.056 75.8 12.1 91 11.6 13.4 LOCK V . 12146.056 -0.081 Dvb-S 3/4 22000 13.3 Under . . 0 Tr 22 .
-97.0 Tr 23 1365.056 75.1 11.6 88 11.1 12.9 LOCK V . 12115.056 -0.081 Dvb-S 3/4 22425 13.2 Under . . 0 Tr 23 .
-97.0 Tr 24 1371.500 74.0 14.6 98 14.1 15.9 LOCK H . 12121.500 0.364 Dvb-S 3/4 20000 17.9 290 . . 0 Tr 24 .
-97.0 Tr 26 1402.500 73.6 14.1 97 13.6 15.4 LOCK H . 12152.500 0.364 Dvb-S 3/4 20000 17.9 290 . . 0 Tr 26 .
-97.0 Tr 27 1427.052 73.8 11.4 87 10.9 12.7 LOCK V . 12177.052 -0.080 Dvb-S 3/4 23000 13.3 Under . . 0 Tr 27 .


Left(even) Right(odd)
Min Max Min Max Measure
Tr 4 72.5 Tr 6 75.5 Tr 1 66.4 Tr 5 77.1 Level
Tr 18 10.9 Tr 24 14.6 Tr 1 7.1 Tr 11 14.2 C/N
Tr 18 84.0 Tr 22 98.0 Tr 1 56.0 Tr 7 97.0 IRD
Tr 18 10.4 Tr 24 14.1 Tr 1 6.6 Tr 11 13.7 Eb/No
Tr 18 12.2 Tr 24 15.9 Tr 1 8.4 Tr 11 15.5 Es/No

Transponders Found: 21
1 4 5 6 7 9 11 12
13 14 17 18 19 20 21 22
22 23 24 26 27

Left Co-Polar: Tr 4 Tr 6 3.0 dB
Right Co-Polar: Tr 1 Tr 5 10.7 dB
Cross Polar: Tr 1 Tr 4 6.1 dB

Format 2.4
Satellite1 -103.0,AMC1
Version 10
Date 06/17/2014
Time 16:50:48
Model TURBO S2
Location
Technician DEE.ANN
Notes
LNB Model Std N.Am Ku 10.75
FieldGuide North American V 2.19
Software 1.34
Serial *******
Level dBuV
Region SE Continental US
Switch None
Meter TurboS2

Orbit Tran Frequency Level C/N IRD Eb/No Es/No Lock Polar Id DnLink FreqError Mod Code Baud LnbV LnbI ReqLim Result Band Manual AvgLim
-103.0 Tr G1B1 1063.900 63.5 11.0 85 10.5 12.3 LOCK V . 11813.900 -0.119 Dvb-S 3/4 2170 13.2 Under . . 0 Tr G1B1 .
-103.0 Tr B2E1 1067.976 60.7 10.3 80 9.8 11.6 LOCK V . 11817.976 -0.094 Dvb-S 2/3 1481 13.2 Under . . 0 Tr B2E1 .
-103.0 Tr K3F1 1327.084 63.6 8.0 65 7.5 9.3 LOCK H . 12077.084 0.268 Dvb-S 5/6 4232 17.9 285 . . 0 Tr K3F1 .
-103.0 Tr A4A1 969.276 57.9 10.5 82 10.0 11.8 LOCK H . 11719.276 0.346 Dvb-S 3/4 1085 17.9 290 . . 0 Tr A4A1 .
-103.0 Tr A4B1 1010.032 71.1 12.1 91 11.6 13.4 LOCK H . 11760.032 0.353 DvbS2 8-5/6 30000 17.9 290 . . 0 Tr A4B1 .
-103.0 Tr A4C1 1090.032 70.5 0.0 . . . Unlock H . 11840.032 0.000 DvbS2 Auto 30000 17.9 290 . . 0 Tr A4C1 .
-103.0 Tr 12 1192.060 75.5 14.4 98 13.9 15.7 LOCK V . 11942.060 -0.086 Dvb-S 3/4 20000 13.2 Under . . 0 Tr 12 .
-103.0 Tr 22 1394.500 76.2 14.6 98 14.1 15.9 LOCK V . 12144.500 -0.032 Dvb-S 3/4 20000 13.3 Under . . 0 Tr 22 .
-103.0 Tr 24 1430.048 76.2 12.1 91 11.6 13.4 LOCK V ID 12180.048 -0.085 Dvb-S 3/4 24999 13.3 Under . . 0 Tr 24 .


Left(even) Right(odd)
Min Max Min Max Measure
Tr 4 57.9 Tr 4 71.1 Tr 2 60.7 Tr 22 76.2 Level
Tr 3 8.0 Tr 4 12.1 Tr 2 10.3 Tr 22 14.6 C/N
Tr 3 65.0 Tr 4 91.0 Tr 2 80.0 Tr 12 98.0 IRD
Tr 3 7.5 Tr 4 11.6 Tr 2 9.8 Tr 22 14.1 Eb/No
Tr 3 9.3 Tr 4 13.4 Tr 2 11.6 Tr 22 15.9 Es/No

Transponders Found: 8
1 2 3 4 4 12 22 24

Left Co-Polar: Tr 4 Tr 4 13.2 dB
Right Co-Polar: Tr 2 Tr 12 14.8 dB
Cross Polar: Tr 2 Tr 4 10.4 dB

Format 2.4
Satellite1 -123.0,G18
Version 10
Date 06/17/2014
Time 16:50:48
Model TURBO S2
Location
Technician DEE.ANN
Notes
LNB Model Std N.Am Ku 10.75
FieldGuide North American V 2.19
Software 1.34
Serial *******
Level dBuV
Region SE Continental US
Switch None
Meter TurboS2

Orbit Tran Frequency Level C/N IRD Eb/No Es/No Lock Polar Id DnLink FreqError Mod Code Baud LnbV LnbI ReqLim Result Band Manual AvgLim
-123.0 Tr G1A1 1021.700 64.6 9.5 76 9.0 10.8 LOCK V . 11771.700 0.070 DvbS2 Q-3/4 3361 13.2 Under . . 0 Tr G1A1 .
-123.0 Tr 2 981.088 70.9 10.3 80 9.8 11.6 LOCK H ID 11731.088 0.311 Dvb-S 3/4 13240 17.9 285 . . 0 Tr 2 .
-123.0 Tr B2J1 1192.916 64.5 13.6 96 13.1 14.9 LOCK V . 11942.916 0.072 Dvb-S 1/2 1481 13.2 Under . . 0 Tr B2J1 .
-123.0 Tr 3 1025.924 67.4 9.6 76 9.1 10.9 LOCK V . 11775.924 0.071 Dvb-S 2/3 2848 13.3 Under . . 0 Tr 3 .
-123.0 Tr J3J1 1082.416 67.3 12.1 91 11.6 13.4 LOCK H . 11832.416 0.265 Dvb-S 3/4 2894 17.9 290 . . 0 Tr J3J1 .
-123.0 Tr J3B1 1130.116 73.0 13.0 95 12.5 14.3 LOCK V . 11880.116 -0.108 DvbS2 8-2/3 30000 13.3 Under . . 0 Tr J3B1 .
-123.0 Tr E3B1 1267.096 70.0 14.5 98 14.0 15.8 LOCK H . 12017.096 0.274 Dvb-S 5/6 5000 18.0 290 . . 0 Tr E3B1 .
-123.0 Tr C4H1 1202.564 64.3 9.4 75 8.9 10.7 LOCK V . 11952.564 -0.064 DvbS2 Q-2/3 7200 13.3 Under . . 0 Tr C4H1 .
-123.0 Tr 18 1255.700 67.2 11.5 88 11.0 12.8 LOCK H . 12005.700 0.374 Dvb-S 3/4 6000 18.0 290 . . 0 Tr 18 .


Left(even) Right(odd)
Min Max Min Max Measure
Tr 18 67.2 Tr 2 70.9 Tr 4 64.3 Tr 3 73.0 Level
Tr 2 10.3 Tr 3 14.5 Tr 4 9.4 Tr 2 13.6 C/N
Tr 2 80.0 Tr 3 98.0 Tr 4 75.0 Tr 2 96.0 IRD
Tr 2 9.8 Tr 3 14.0 Tr 4 8.9 Tr 2 13.1 Eb/No
Tr 2 11.6 Tr 3 15.8 Tr 4 10.7 Tr 2 14.9 Es/No

Transponders Found: 9
1 2 2 3 3 3 3 4
18

Left Co-Polar: Tr 2 Tr 3 3.6 dB
Right Co-Polar: Tr 3 Tr 4 8.7 dB
Cross Polar: Tr 1 Tr 2 6.3 dB

Format 2.4
Satellite1 -125.0,AMC21
Version 10
Date 06/17/2014
Time 16:50:48
Model TURBO S2
Location
Technician DEE.ANN
Notes
LNB Model Std N.Am Ku 10.75
FieldGuide North American V 2.19
Software 1.34
Serial *******
Level dBuV
Region SE Continental US
Switch None
Meter TurboS2

Orbit Tran Frequency Level C/N IRD Eb/No Es/No Lock Polar Id DnLink FreqError Mod Code Baud LnbV LnbI ReqLim Result Band Manual AvgLim
-125.0 Tr J2A1 1430.040 69.0 11.8 89 11.3 13.1 LOCK V . 12180.040 -0.051 DvbS2 8-3/4 30000 13.1 245 . . 0 Tr J2A1 .
-125.0 Tr J3B1 1355.604 60.0 11.4 87 10.9 12.7 LOCK V . 12105.604 -0.111 DvbS2 8-2/3 2398 13.1 240 . . 0 Tr J3B1 .
-125.0 Tr E3G1 1370.100 67.4 11.5 88 11.0 12.8 LOCK H . 12120.100 0.281 DvbS2 8-5/6 30000 17.9 285 . . 0 Tr E3G1 .
-125.0 Tr B3B1 1405.048 60.5 11.3 86 10.8 12.6 LOCK H . 12155.048 0.329 DvbS2 8-3/4 6250 17.9 285 . . 0 Tr B3B1 .
-125.0 Tr E3H1 1425.096 60.2 11.5 88 11.0 12.8 LOCK H . 12175.096 0.275 DvbS2 8-3/4 4444 18.0 285 . . 0 Tr E3H1 .
-125.0 Tr C4D1 1413.080 60.5 12.2 92 11.7 13.5 LOCK H . 12163.080 0.294 DvbS2 8-3/4 4444 18.0 285 . . 0 Tr C4D1 .
-125.0 Tr C4E1 1419.080 60.4 11.5 88 11.0 12.8 LOCK H . 12169.080 0.296 DvbS2 8-3/4 4444 18.0 285 . . 0 Tr C4E1 .
-125.0 Tr 14 1230.080 72.7 14.0 97 13.5 15.3 LOCK V ID 11980.080 -0.080 DvbS2 Q-3/5 30000 13.1 240 . . 0 Tr 14 .
-125.0 Tr 20c 1362.500 66.0 12.5 94 12.0 13.8 LOCK V . 12112.500 -0.005 DvbS2 8-3/4 8700 13.1 240 . . 0 Tr 20c .


Left(even) Right(odd)
Min Max Min Max Measure
Tr 3 60.2 Tr 3 67.4 Tr 3 60.0 Tr 14 72.7 Level
Tr 3 11.3 Tr 4 12.2 Tr 3 11.4 Tr 14 14.0 C/N
Tr 3 86.0 Tr 4 92.0 Tr 3 87.0 Tr 14 97.0 IRD
Tr 3 10.8 Tr 4 11.7 Tr 3 10.9 Tr 14 13.5 Eb/No
Tr 3 12.6 Tr 4 13.5 Tr 3 12.7 Tr 14 15.3 Es/No

Transponders Found: 9
2 3 3 3 3 4 4 14
20

Left Co-Polar: Tr 3 Tr 3 6.9 dB
Right Co-Polar: Tr 3 Tr 14 12.7 dB
Cross Polar: Tr 4 Tr 14 12.3 dB

 

[jorgek]

DeeAnn,
If you are using USALS then for 125W try setting the sat position to 124.5 or go in the other direction and try 125.5. Its amazing what a tiny change can make in the Q. I found that tweaking each sat's orbital position number was far easier than trying to weak the dish to magically track the arc perfectly. USALS seems to loose some of its accuracy as you reach the extreme limits of its travel.

 

[Dee_Ann]

That's a good idea Jorgek, I shall give it a whirl !!
Honestly, I do not want to touch the thing now because ~everything~ works on it ! First time ever, since I began this project in 2009, this is the first time it gets everything!
What a nightmare trip this has been !!

But, the good thing is, I've been forced to learn several things, the number one being, slow down and be precise in what I do.
I get anxious and try to slap stuff up and it doesn't work, I freak out and throw fits and kick things and it gets me nowhere.


One last question here but I think I may have figured it out anyway.


The other day, when it was ~sort of working~, I was getting COZI on 103. And several NBC channels as well.
Now they are gone.

Is that because at that point in time I probably had my skew cranked over enough to get them?
I know they are replacing the satellite very soon. I was thinking they had changed the skew a little bit in favor of normality in advance of the total switch over but it's still off somewhat.
There was a video floating around about changing the skew to like half of what it has been.

Are they still transmitting it strictly at the old -20 degree skew only ?
Did I just happen to pick it up because my dish was so badly misaligned at that moment?

Being that it's still over two months from the official switch over, wouldn't I do better for now to just point a fixed dish at 103 (I have a few to spare) ??

Another thought that just occurred to me is that I could attached another LNB to the dish (I have LOTS of spares) and set it on a switch so that the STB looks for 103 on like port 2 of a Diseque switch?
I was thinking that I could play games with the system so that the motor parks at the 97w position but the STB will look for it on a switch rather than the LNBF on the dish. Somehow.
Or something like that. I'm pretty sure I can find a way to make that happen.

Anyway, I'm not exceptionally worried about rigging up some more Frankendish monster mash stuff just to get 103 when it would be far easier just to point a spare dish at it instead.
My main boggle is why/how I was picking it up the other day but not anymore.

Thanks!

 

[FaT Air]

The 20 something degree 'odd' skew 'modification' is on Ku band only. Not on C band.

Are they still transmitting it strictly at the old -20 degree skew only ?

yes.

the skew a little bit in favor of normality in advance of the total switch over but it's still off somewhat.

Yep, that's right. So at the switchover, it will still be 'off' the same as was before the switch. They, the networks use dishes with more 'overhead' (excess gain) than the FTA community. Use this with that in mind.

the official switch over

AFAIK, there is no 'official' date mentioned by SES or FCC.
Sure can use a switch and an offset LNBF, if you can tolerate the associated losses.

My main boggle is why/how I was picking it up the other day but not anymore.

Maybe it was close to, but not quite, borderline* then, today it's something to cause it to go below borderline. movement, weather?
*The 'digital cliff'.

 

[jorgek]

Regarding the skew on 103w COZI TV, I have had similar experiences where for some unknown reason COZI pops in without changing to the odd ball skew on the LNB. Then the next day nothing. This seems to be "normal" behaviour for dishes under 36". Mine is 33". Apparently the larger dishes have more gain and overcome the skew issue. 125w behave also somewhat strange. If I tweak the 33" dish for max Q on Montana then all the other TPs are low Q and if I tweak for the other PBS channels then Montana drops in Q. So I try for a happy medium somewhere in between. Again a larger dish should overcome this drawback.

 

[Dee_Ann]

This dish is a 1 meter.