2010 NCAA Football Season

[salsadancer7]

No Bowden and now no Fortson....

Florida State dismisses receiver Jarmon Fortson
Aug 8, 4:49 pm EDT

TALLAHASSEE, Fla. (AP)—Florida State coach Jimbo Fisher dismissed junior wide receiver Jarmon Fortson on Sunday for an undisclosed team policy violation.

Fortson, of Hurtsboro, Ala., was one of Florida State’s top returning receivers and was expected to start. He started six games last year, catching 45 passes for a career high 610 yards and four touchdowns.

“We wish him the best,” Fisher said. “We’ll miss him.”

Fisher called an impromptu team meeting Sunday to notify the other players. He said they were disappointed because they respected Fortson.

Fisher declined to say what policy Fortson violated and said he didn’t believe he could remain in school.

“He’s a very good player,” Fisher said. “As he became more consistent he became a good player.”

Fisher said Florida State has other capable receivers who could step in for Fortson including junior Taiwan Easterling, who had 35 catches for 442 yards last year.

Sophomore Rodney Smith probably will take Fortson’s spot on the depth chart although he had only one catch last season.

“I think he’s ready for it,” Fisher said. “He’s had some good practices.”

Florida State dismisses receiver Jarmon Fortson - College Football - Rivals.com

 

[SandraC]

Sorry dude....GREAT athlete....but no where NEAR a good enough passer to be a back up. He will more than likely no where near Tim Tebow stats or winning percentage and Tebow was a 2nd round....and we are talking about arguably the best college QB of ALL time....and a 2nd rounder.

WAY premature to be talking about Terrell Pryor's NFL prospects already. He has most likely played only half of his college career to date, with by far his most important seasons yet to come.

The Tebow comparison is irrelevant. You do not judge any QB's NFL prospects based on wins and losses or statistics in college. It's about how scouts think his arm, his feet and his head will translate and adapt to the NFL game.

The Ohio State QB that was backing up in Baltimore, Troy Smith is 10 times more QB than this kid will ever be. And unfortunately, all Smith could do is be a backup(though I do think he has never gotten a chance). Do you think if this kid ahd ANY chance of being in the 1st round, he would have made that statement? Even after Tebow won the Heisman twice, they were telling him to stay because he was NOT gonna be a 1st rounder.

Smith is another irrelevant comparison. Troy Smith had tools that let him flourish in the college game, tools that Terrell Pryor still has to show us. Since Troy Smith did not show those tools until his junior and senior seasons, there is plenty of time for Terrell.

But Troy Smith's tool set did not translate well to being a starting QB in today's NFL. Terrell Pryor's tools may not translate well either...or perhaps they could.

But it's MUCH too early to make that statement.


Sandra

 

[HD MM]

Sorry dude....GREAT athlete....but no where NEAR a good enough passer to be a back up. He will more than likely no where near Tim Tebow stats or winning percentage and Tebow was a 2nd round....and we are talking about arguably the best college QB of ALL time....and a 2nd rounder.

The Ohio State QB that was backing up in Baltimore, Troy Smith is 10 times more QB than this kid will ever be. And unfortunately, all Smith could do is be a backup(though I do think he has never gotten a chance). Do you think if this kid ahd ANY chance of being in the 1st round, he would have made that statement? Even after Tebow won the Heisman twice, they were telling him to stay because he was NOT gonna be a 1st rounder.

And you can tell this after less than 2 full years of play? Wow. You've got quite the eye. Which games have you seen exactly? I don't know about the rest of the casual viewing college football nation, but I've seen tremendous progress out of TP the last two season, especially at the end of last season and the Rose Bowl against Oregon. And I watched just about every game he's ever played.

I'm just going out on a limb here, but I'm going to wait another year or two to completely write him off. After all, he's a freaking Sophomore (until this year)!

 

[Jimbo]

Sorry dude....GREAT athlete....but no where NEAR a good enough passer to be a back up. He will more than likely no where near Tim Tebow stats or winning percentage and Tebow was a 2nd round....and we are talking about arguably the best college QB of ALL time....and a 2nd rounder.

The Ohio State QB that was backing up in Baltimore, Troy Smith is 10 times more QB than this kid will ever be. And unfortunately, all Smith could do is be a backup(though I do think he has never gotten a chance). Do you think if this kid ahd ANY chance of being in the 1st round, he would have made that statement? Even after Tebow won the Heisman twice, they were telling him to stay because he was NOT gonna be a 1st rounder.

Still WAY TO SOON to make predictions on how good he MAY become.
There are plenty of QB's that struggle till they get to thier Jr, Sr. seasons.

 

[SandraC]

Great minds thinking alike!!!


Sandra

 

[HD MM]

I've never looked at Terrelle as being a guy that would be "ready" for the NFL after his Jr. year.

If he comes out this year and plays extremely well, he's still not ready .... that doesn't mean he wouldn't go, plenty of players go before they are ready.

4 years will do him good. I agree he's not NFL ready right now, but he wouldn't be eligible to be drafted at the end of last year either. I started to see great progress out of him towards the end of last year. This, his Junior year will be key though in judging his development.

 

[HD MM]

Great minds thinking alike!!!


Sandra

I bet you there were a few detractors who even wrote Peyton Manning off after his Sophmore year. Thank God these kids have to play 3 years until they get to the next level.

 

[SandraC]

I bet you there were a few detractors who even wrote Peyton Manning off after his Sophmore year. Thank God these kids have to play 3 years until they get to the next level.

Especially if their team had a big game coming up against Peyton Manning's Tennessee team.


Sandra

 

[salsadancer7]

WAY premature to be talking about Terrell Pryor's NFL prospects already. He has most likely played only half of his college career to date, with by far his most important seasons yet to come.

I don think it is too premature because if you show NO SIGN of being a propective QB at the next level by the time your get into your junior, there is no reason to even think of leaving early. You BETTER stay your 4 years.

The Tebow comparison is irrelevant. You do not judge any QB's NFL prospects based on wins and losses or statistics in college. It's about how scouts think his arm, his feet and his head will adapt to the NFL game.

The Tebow comparison is only irrelevant to you. What I am comparing is that Terrell is NOW WHERE NEAR at the same level Tebow before starting his junior year. The comparisons are for both players starting their junior years. Tebow won the Heisman, Terrell is done nothing...and yet, at the same time in the college career....Tebow is a much better QB.

Smith is another irrelevant comparison. Troy Smith had tools that let him flourish in the college game, tools that Terrell Pryor still has to show us. Since Troy Smith did not show those tools until his junior and senior seasons, there is plenty of time for Terrell.

But Troy Smith's tool set did not translate well to being a starting QB in today's NFL. Terrell Pryor's tools may not translate well either...or perhaps they could.

On the contrary, Troy was much closer to a tradition drop back QB than Terrell has ever shown. Pryor will not show this trait because he is NOT a drop back passer. And has not shown because he does not have it and in Ohio State's style of offense, will might not show it IF he had it.

 

[salsadancer7]

Still WAY TO SOON to make predictions on how good he MAY become.
There are plenty of QB's that struggle till they get to thier Jr, Sr. seasons.

But when you are THE top propect in ALL of high school at QB, you intention are to be an NFL QB.....not to be a nice QB in college. And he has not shown he is a good enough QB at the next level.

It is one thing to be a good recruit QB out of no where. It's ANOTHER to be THE most recruit QB in the entire country.

 

[salsadancer7]

I bet you there were a few detractors who even wrote Peyton Manning off after his Sophmore year. Thank God these kids have to play 3 years until they get to the next level.

Sorry, WAY off on that one:

Manning completed his degree in three years, and was projected to be the top overall pick in the NFL Draft, but returned to Tennessee for his senior year.

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There is NO WAY, MOST QB can go from a good QB to a GREAT QB in one season.....you either HAVE it for the next level or you don't.

 

[SandraC]

I don think it is too premature because if you show NO SIGN of being a propective QB at the next level by the time your get into your junior, there is no reason to even think of leaving early. You BETTER stay your 4 years.

Yeah, uh...there are a number of outstanding NFL QB's who did not do much in their college careers before they became juniors, let alone seniors.

The Tebow comparison is only irrelevant to you. What I am comparing is that Terrell is NOW WHERE NEAR at the same level Tebow before starting his junior year. The comparisons are for both players starting their junior years. Tebow won the Heisman, Terrell is done nothing...and yet, at the same time in the college career....Tebow is a much better QB.

Tebow will most likely be a better college QB than Terrell Pryor. I'm talking about NFL prospects.

On the contrary, Troy was much closer to a tradition drop back QB than Terrell has ever shown. Pryor will not show this trait because he is NOT a drop back passer. And has not shown because he does not have it and in Ohio State's style of offense, will might not show it IF he had it.

Donovan McNabb was not a drop back passer in college, nor was Vince Young or many other successful NFL quarterbacks. That is not the only criteria needed. I'm talking about Troy Smith's actual tool set, not the type of quarterback he was.


Sandra

 

[HD MM]

Sorry, WAY off on that one:

Manning completed his degree in three years, and was projected to be the top overall pick in the NFL Draft, but returned to Tennessee for his senior year.

Peyton Manning - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

There is NO WAY, MOST QB can go from a good QB to a GREAT QB in one season.....you either HAVE it for the next level or you don't.

Yep. He was "projected to be a top pick" after his THIRD YEAR!

Like I said, Pryor has only played 2 years. In no way am I comparing him to Manning in skill, but I am saying it is wise to wait to judge a player's prospects at the next level at least until AFTER his JUNIOR YEAR!

 

[SandraC]

Sorry, WAY off on that one:

Manning completed his degree in three years, and was projected to be the top overall pick in the NFL Draft, but returned to Tennessee for his senior year.

For the sake of accuracy, HD said sophomore year and your post reflects what was said about Peyton Manning after his junior year. HUGE difference.


Sandra

 

[HD MM]

On the contrary, Troy was much closer to a tradition drop back QB than Terrell has ever shown. Pryor will not show this trait because he is NOT a drop back passer. And has not shown because he does not have it and in Ohio State's style of offense, will might not show it IF he had it.

Pryor didn't become a "drop back QB" until his Junior year. Until then, he was a scrambler.

 

[SandraC]

Pryor didn't become a "drop back QB" until his Junior year. Until then, he was a scrambler.

I think you mean Troy, but this part of the conversation is moot anyway.


Sandra

 

[HD MM]

Did Salsa also know Manning was a 3rd string QB in Tennessee until a few injuries ahead of him gave him the opportunity to prove his worth? Like I said, thank God the Colts or potential future employers didn't write Peyton off after a handful of games.

 

[HD MM]

I think you mean Troy, but this part of the conversation is moot anyway.


Sandra

Yes, that's what I meant. Salsa has me all worked up this morning.

 

[Jimbo]

I don think it is too premature because if you show NO SIGN of being a propective QB at the next level by the time your get into your junior, there is no reason to even think of leaving early. You BETTER stay your 4 years.



The Tebow comparison is only irrelevant to you. What I am comparing is that Terrell is NOW WHERE NEAR at the same level Tebow before starting his junior year. The comparisons are for both players starting their junior years. Tebow won the Heisman, Terrell is done nothing...and yet, at the same time in the college career....Tebow is a much better QB.




On the contrary, Troy was much closer to a tradition drop back QB than Terrell has ever shown. Pryor will not show this trait because he is NOT a drop back passer. And has not shown because he does not have it and in Ohio State's style of offense, will might not show it IF he had it.

Wow, what are you drinking this morning ?

Didn't this WHOLE discussion start when Pryor stated that he would be staying all 4 years ?
Where were any of us saying that he should come out ?

WHO compared him to TEBOW anyways, thats YOUR comparison ?

Troy Smith was slightly better than Terrelle coming into his Jr. season, not a whole lot, still wanted to run first and throw second.

I personally will watch this year and see where Pryor ends up, he'll either progress and turn into a very reliable QB, or he won't and he'll step back and regress. I don't see him regressing, but he could, I'm sure every time he has a bad throw or play the haters will be out full force.

IF he regresses this year, it will be a very painful next few years.

 

[SandraC]

Yes, that's what I meant. Salsa has me all worked up this morning.

Hey, why not do a little Terrell Pryor bashing before your team travels up there to play him? Let's change the tune and pick apart Jacory Harris for a little while. Oh wait...nobody cares about Jarory Harris.


Sandra